MotoGP 2012

[tail_end_charlie]

i just did a lttle number crunching.Dani has to win all three races AND Jorge has to get two thirds and a fourth to lose it.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/...017pillion.htm

Jorge is running on the ragged edge as far as engines go, as discussed in the above. One mistake from Jorge could easily result in a DNF for him, which would blow things completely wide open. He's had a couple of close calls that he has just saved while chasing Dani, if he doesn't catch the next one...............

One could probably argue that Jorge has ridden a mistake free season so far (Assen being out of his control of course), so the odds are getting better and better that he will screw up and bin it................................................ .

Still, I think he pretty much has it in the bag.

[Crasherfromwayback]

[url]. One mistake from Jorge could easily result in a DNF for him, which would blow things completely wide open. He's had a couple of close calls that he has just saved while chasing Dani, if he doesn't catch the next one...............

One could probably argue that Jorge has ridden a mistake free season so far (Assen being out of his control of course), so the odds are getting better and better that he will screw up and bin it................................................ .

Still, I think he pretty much has it in the bag.

Nah. He's too classy and good for that now in my opinion. Lorenzo has morphed into the complete package. Where Stoner went mental and binned it trying to beat his team mate in Germany, Lorenzo is happy to bring it home for points looking at the big picture. Only the engine failing will stop him winning the title he's well and truly earnt this season. He's been the best all round package...followed very closely by Pedro. Next year...if Pedro carries on like he has this year? Who knows!

[Brian d marge]

Ok, if he was using something tricky it wasnt working for him!

thats going to annoy me, I can see the bike , and even the corner when it was said to me ,,,but .........well my memory !!!!!

Stephen

[Drew]

Whatever, nothing will help you, you know that. Anything else is just dreamin' mate.

It'll help me get a warrant.

[Robert Taylor]

Don't misunderstand me here fella. I bought a complete front end, the stickers were on it already.

Stickers of course dont maketh the function. If you remove them the bike will be lighter and will accelerate faster. Follow Danis lead of very light weight

[Robert Taylor]

Nah. He's too classy and good for that now in my opinion. Lorenzo has morphed into the complete package. Where Stoner went mental and binned it trying to beat his team mate in Germany, Lorenzo is happy to bring it home for points looking at the big picture. Only the engine failing will stop him winning the title he's well and truly earnt this season. He's been the best all round package...followed very closely by Pedro. Next year...if Pedro carries on like he has this year? Who knows!

INDEED! 100% kudos to both of the Spaniards

[macka77]

Nah. He's too classy and good for that now in my opinion. Lorenzo has morphed into the complete package. Where Stoner went mental and binned it trying to beat his team mate in Germany, Lorenzo is happy to bring it home for points looking at the big picture. Only the engine failing will stop him winning the title he's well and truly earnt this season. He's been the best all round package...followed very closely by Pedro. Next year...if Pedro carries on like he has this year? Who knows!

To be fair on stoner he got caught out by the rain on the track and , hes done for the championship which is a real shame for the motogp, i think the lorenso is on an inferior machine this year. haw hey wont have to go over the edge like rossi always did to win it is one thing to settle for second another to dominate your opposition personally the motogp has been so boring yamaha vs honda, compard 2 moto2 where the riders vs rider
** are yamaha desperate to back rossi an co to improve the m1 and get sponsers back on board, haw hey my be one of the best riders but far from the complete package imo.
anyway its going to be fairing bashing rossi vs lorenso next year look out!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

To be fair on stoner he got caught out by the rain on the track and , hes done for the championship which is a real shame for the motogp, i think the lorenso is on an inferior machine this year. haw hey wont have to go over the edge like rossi always did to win it is one thing to settle for second another to dominate your opposition personally the motogp has been so boring yamaha vs honda, compard 2 moto2 where the riders vs rider
** are yamaha desperate to back rossi an co to improve the m1 and get sponsers back on board, haw hey my be one of the best riders but far from the complete package imo.
anyway its going to be fairing bashing rossi vs lorenso next year look out!!

Can't agree with most of that. Stoner was on the same track as the rest of them, and they didn't bin it. It was a hot headed and misguided attempt to Pass Pedro. As far as the Yamaha being inferior? I don't believe that for a min. At the beginning of the season it was probably quite easily the best bike. Honda have had a shitload of trouble with the new front tyre introduced, and only since they've sorted it has Pedro been kicking arse. The Yam is also not as far behind in acc as it once was either.

Next...if Lorenzo ain't the complete package...dunno who the hell is. Yes he and Rossi will tarde some paint...but your memory can't be that good if you can't remember what was happening last time they were team mates. And Lorenzo has only improved since.

I think the most exciting thing for next year may well be Stoners replacement. He may not have to charisma of the late Simo, but he's as fucking fearless and ruthless.

[tail_end_charlie]

I think the most exciting thing for next year may well be Stoners replacement. He may not have to charisma of the late Simo, but he's as fucking fearless and ruthless.

That is quite true, he will be interesting to watch. There is, however, a fine line between fearless & ruthless, and dangerous. There have been a couple of incidents this season where he has looked to be toeing that line, if not stepping over it. He seems to be able to get away with it in Moto2 for some reason, but I doubt that will be the case next year in MotoGP.

All that said, there is no denying that MM has some serious talent. His run from 24 (something like that) to 12 on the first lap, and to then go on and win the race at Motegi was something else to watch.

[Crasherfromwayback]

That is quite true, he will be interesting to watch. There is, however, a fine line between fearless & ruthless, and dangerous. There have been a couple of incidents this season where he has looked to be toeing that line, if not stepping over it. He seems to be able to get away with it in Moto2 for some reason, but I doubt that will be the case next year in MotoGP.

All that said, there is no denying that MM has some serious talent. His run from 24 (something like that) to 12 on the first lap, and to then go on and win the race at Motegi was something else to watch.

I agree. I'm all for agressive racing, as long as it's clean. But for sure, some of the things I've seen him do deserve a fat lip at the very least. He'll have to sort that out next year. Can't see the big boys putting up with it for too long,if at all. Some of his moves through the pack at the last race were bordering on dangerous too.

[Crasherfromwayback]

1st practice just finished.

Pedro, Stoner, Lorenzo.

[imdying]

Re the spec gheyness that is the spec ECU... How about limit them to a xx MHZ processor and xx K of RAM instead? There's only so much you can do in XX amount of RAM... fancy traction control, launch control, ABS, injection, ignition... you can have all of them, but they'll have to be stripped back, or if you want the full welly traction control, you'll need to strip back some of the other functions. Maybe worth a go?

[DidJit]

Re the spec gheyness that is the spec ECU...

Toby Moody has a few interesting musings on all that kerfuffle.

1st practice just finished. Pedro, Stoner, Lorenzo.

Got a feeling Stoner’s gonna win it this weekend.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Got a feeling Stoner’s gonna win it this weekend.

He was certainly looking far more comfortable on the bike so far this weekend. But nah...I reckon podium this weekend...top step next weekend.

[tail_end_charlie]

Toby Moody has a few interesting musings on all that kerfuffle.

Interesting reading. Another one of the problems that is often just skimmed over is that there are three very distinct parties involved in Motorcycle racing.

A.) The spectators. These range from people who were flipping through the channels on TV and came across a motorcycle race and watched it because it enthralled them in that first split second, to people like the hardcore enthusiasts who have been following the racing since before time. The former want to see good close racing with lots of actions, while the latter want to keep things very traditional and appreciate the machines in their various classes. In other words a very diverse group of individuals.

B.) The owners/organizers/sponsers. Dorna, Infront, Bridgepoint, ect ect. The organizations and sponsers are looking to make money off of motorcycle racing. More specifically, the spectators who watch motorcycle racing. And making money does not give two shits about weither or not MotoGP is kept as a pure prototype series for example. Money talks and bullshit walks as they say.

C.) The manufactures. Honda, Ducati, Yamaha, Suzuki, BMW, Kawasaki, Aprilla, and anyone else to runs a factory team or lends serious support to a team to win races and championships. They do this for the age old principle of 'Win on Sunday, sell on Monday.' The more you win, the more publicity you get, the better people think your bikes are, and therefore the more you sell. This may be because you throw money at a race series to win, or because you invest the most money into R & D and have the best bikes, or because you manipulate the rules of a series to favor your bikes. Either way, racing has to serve a purpose other than itself; namely in the long run, sell more bikes. To a certain extent this also includes aftermarket and nitch suppliers, tuners, ect.


The whole thing is a three legged stool. Loose one leg and the racing will end. Loose the spectators, loose the money, no more racing. Loose the organizers/sponsers, series collapses, no more racing. Loose the manufactures, no more bikes, no more racing. Even two out of three won't work. And to try and make three parties as diverse as A, B and C work together in some kind of harmony is going to take concessions from each party. That may mean going to new tracks in different parts of the world to expose new audiencies, making sure that no one is raking in huge profits without throwing some back to benifit the series, and keeping all the racers on as even a playing ground as possible.

IMO, Infront has done the best juggling act lately managing the WSBK series to keep all three parties happy and working together to stay alive. Dorna is bouncing along a rocky road right now with MotoGP because the few from group C have gotten to big, taken away some of the show, and left members of group A bored, so they left. Because people in group A were leaving, members of group B started to loose money, and decided to look elsewhere to greener pastures. In todays modern world things change really fast, you gotta maintain the ballance, otherwise you might find yourself circling down the shitter.