Colemans Suzuki misleading DR650 LAMS advertising - be warned

**R650R** · 22nd October 2012, 21:26

Think I read somewhere any modification ends the lams status... but if its sold new with the extras it might be like the ltd edition yoshi suzukis, a loud pipe that is fitted as 'standard' equipment at first wof.
Bit like trucks, roof mounted spotlights are legit if fitted at first COF when new but you get pinged if you fit the same lights later.
As said above by others, 99% of those who buy one like that in ad won't end up getting pinged unless being silly.
The pipe lets the engine breath better but probably makes little measureable power gain on dyno by itself alone.

**mossy1200** · 22nd October 2012, 21:29

Originally Posted by Eddieb

Freedoms extra's are IMS 18.5 litre Fuel tank, Sargent seat & Slipstreamer Spitfire windscreen. None of those would take the bikes out of LAMS compliance.

Yes but they do list the fmf as a extra that is avaliable.

If a part fitted for performance is fitted but the power to weight is still under 150/1000 is it compliant.
Its says no but it also says that you can prove that it still is acceptable.

The dealership must know that it still is. Or am I just to trusting?

Has anyone emailed Colemans to ask if its still lams with the fmf pipe?

**EJK** · 22nd October 2012, 21:40

Originally Posted by Padmei

Like a cops gonna give a rats arse.

But the insurance company will.

**mossy1200** · 22nd October 2012, 21:44

Originally Posted by EJK

But the insurance company will.

Just like they cover bikes crashing on the track on training days.
Insurance wont be bothered by a pipe that was sold on the bike. They just increase the price of premiums to give a profit margin after calculated claims average. They never lose out in the long run and i couldnt see them chasing bike alterations on claims.

**pete-blen** · 22nd October 2012, 21:49

The LAMS law has no what ifs.. its pretty black & white...
Lams says No mods..
bike is no longer factroy spec...

If a LEARNER wants a moded bike... remeber we are talking learners..
I surpose one way around it for the cops is... IF they notice
any mods, is for them to require you have a dyno test done
at your exspence..

like rideing with no rego / WOF, roll the dice and see what happens..
boy racers get pulled in for checks on there moded cars... so why shouldn't
it be the same for a motor bike...

just play the game for 18 or 24 months and theres no issues..
It's not a life time...

**EJK** · 22nd October 2012, 22:26

Originally Posted by mossy1200

Just like they cover bikes crashing on the track on training days.
Insurance wont be bothered by a pipe that was sold on the bike. They just increase the price of premiums to give a profit margin after calculated claims average. They never lose out in the long run and i couldnt see them chasing bike alterations on claims.

According to my understanding of insurance business, they will seep through any crack to make a scapegoat on the rider when it comes to making a claim.

No LAMS standard = no claim?

**Glowerss** · 23rd October 2012, 00:09

Originally Posted by mossy1200

Yes but they do list the fmf as a extra that is avaliable.

If a part fitted for performance is fitted but the power to weight is still under 150/1000 is it compliant.
Its says no but it also says that you can prove that it still is acceptable.

The dealership must know that it still is. Or am I just to trusting?

Has anyone emailed Colemans to ask if its still lams with the fmf pipe?

As FJrider pointed out to me yesterday,

Any mods that increase power to weight ratio make it no longer LAMS complaint. This is completely and utterly irrevelent to if it pushes it outside the 150kw/tonne limit.

That's how the NZTA got away from having to figure out if the mods added HP or put out outside the limit or whatever. They'll take one look at that, go "that exhaust isn't standard" and write you a ticket if they're feeling anal. Not a damn thing you could do about it.

**mossy1200** · 23rd October 2012, 05:52

Ok. So they say comes with fmf pipe.
If you have a learner/restricted they may say you will need run stock pipe unless offroad.

**Night Falcon** · 23rd October 2012, 17:49

I friend of mine just bought a DR (Private sale) with standard pipe, lms tank, bash plate, heated grips, and has been lowered...so lots of non stock items....dose this mean the bike is not LAMS approved?

**mossy1200** · 23rd October 2012, 18:25

Originally Posted by Night Falcon

I friend of mine just bought a DR (Private sale) with standard pipe, lms tank, bash plate, heated grips, and has been lowered...so lots of non stock items....dose this mean the bike is not LAMS approved?

The issue is for performance enhancing parts installed to increase the power of the bike.

Mufflers are the obvious add on as the can be seen and heard to be not standard.

**FJRider** · 23rd October 2012, 18:58

Originally Posted by Night Falcon

I friend of mine just bought a DR (Private sale) with standard pipe, lms tank, bash plate, heated grips, and has been lowered...so lots of non stock items....dose this mean the bike is not LAMS approved?

Increasing the weight (only) reduces the power/weight ratio. Nothing written is legislation forbidding that.

**FJRider** · 23rd October 2012, 19:06

Originally Posted by R650R

Think I read somewhere any modification ends the lams status... but if its sold new with the extras it might be like the ltd edition yoshi suzukis, a loud pipe that is fitted as 'standard' equipment at first wof.
Bit like trucks, roof mounted spotlights are legit if fitted at first COF when new but you get pinged if you fit the same lights later.
As said above by others, 99% of those who buy one like that in ad won't end up getting pinged unless being silly.
The pipe lets the engine breath better but probably makes little measureable power gain on dyno by itself alone.

The "Yoshi suzuki's" aren't LAM's approved either.

It matters little who modified them ... If not fitted at the time of manufacture ...

**R650R** · 23rd October 2012, 21:38

Originally Posted by EJK

According to my understanding of insurance business, they will seep through any crack to make a scapegoat on the rider when it comes to making a claim.

No LAMS standard = no claim?

Its all about the terms of the contract. They will ask has the vehicle been modified or have non standard parts in most policy disclosure documents anyway. The bite in the butt comes when you answer any of those questions fraudulantly. Be the same as someone crashing daddys falcon on a restricted license after 10pm etc. An insurance friend tells me they often can see people are BS in their claims in regards to speed or how it happened but they still have to payout unless they can prove you lied about how it happened.
I'm sure the insurance co's will be onto this and just charge a higher premium/excess and woe betide anyone that fails to declare the modifications.

**Waipukbiker** · 24th October 2012, 05:28

Next thing they will be bringing in low volume certification requirements for bikes as required for vehicles as in, any mods that are done must be certified before a W.O.F. can be issued.