MotoGP 2012

[bogan]

Would you (or I) buy a ticket? not so much.

Well I think in the spirit of rule (and rider) removal they would also allow the dirtiest passing in motorsport since the chariots of rome. 300kph full contact racing; one season pass please, top of the stands might be a good idea though!

[jasonu]

Then you have the NASCAR problem. My perception of that is that NASCAR audiences (and I deliberately didnt use the word fans) could not give a crap about the technology, and of course NASCAR tech is famously limited, its all about the "personaliites" of the drivers.

In fact the best expression of that is to appeal to the widest viewer base you need to make the personal clashes very thrilling: so close racing. That implies close controls on the technology (or a spec vehicle, not just "control" tyres). And a casual fan watches motorsport for carnage. So in fact we're back at the Roman circus. Now, I'm all for feeding Xtians to lions (who wouldn't watch that?) but its a long long way from motorcycle racing (even car racing) as we know it.

I also take Robert's point: its not just the guy pedalling the thing round the course that wins it. Though they're the ones who get the hot bitches and big paycheque.

NASCAR is more like a weekly TV drama series than anything that even slightly resembles good motor raceing. But they must be doing summat right ie hugh crowds every weekend, large fields of cars and big money for the drivers. I personally think it is about the dummest thing on TV.

[tail_end_charlie]

NASCAR is more like a weekly TV drama series than anything that even slightly resembles good motor raceing. But they must be doing summat right ie hugh crowds every weekend, large fields of cars and big money for the drivers. I personally think it is about the dummest thing on TV.

Couldn't agree more with you on that issue. Pisses me off how much air time is devoted to talking about that BS too, in addition to the length of time it takes to race around a friggen' oval track for 500 miles. Freakin' stupid ass shit!

[Mental Trousers]

NASCAR have done an excellent job of identifying their audience and creating a product for them.

Obviously there's a fuck load of Rednecks in the States. A really big fuck load.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Go Stoner you lil Champ! Simply unfuckingbeatable at the Island. And it's a TRUE riders course. Sums it up nicely. No excuses about HP (it's one of the tracks where a good handling but slow nail can win). Fucking awesome. Then to turn down 15 Mill. Fucking GOLD.

[tail_end_charlie]

So there are pretty much two choices: either you open up the rules, or you restrict them even more.

-Opening up the rules could possibly take away the advantages that some of the Manufactures (read Honda) have carved for themselves by having Dorna make the rules to suit them. If you allow any Tom, Dick or Harry to build a prototype bike that fits a very simple set of rules, then you would definately get increased interest from people to put bikes on the grid. To some close minded people, it might put them off because they don't know know how to think outside the box. That of course leads back to writing a new set of rules, like what Mental Trousers was talking about in "Write Your Own Rules"

-Or go the route of (for lack of a better reference) NASCAR/V8's and have a class that are so similar that the only things that change are the badges on the tanks and how the teams set them up. But this would more or less be going down the path of Moto2, just more extreme. It would provide the same close racing, just with more displacement.

[tail_end_charlie]

NASCAR have done an excellent job of identifying their audience and creating a product for them.

Obviously there's a fuck load of Rednecks in the States. A really big fuck load.

Yeah, its the same population catagory that makes reality TV like Jersey Shore a big hit.

[tail_end_charlie]

Yep, Moaner wouldnt have saved it.

Hmmmm, interesting comment that I have dragged up because I seem to remember Casey making a hell of a save in FP3 (I think) at PI.

[pritch]

Yeah, its the same population catagory that makes reality TV like Jersey Shore a big hit.

Not so sure your average good ol' boy gives much of a shit about what people from New Jersey are up to?

I sometimes watch NASCAR and one thing they have often, that MotoGP has only seldom, is exciting finishes.

[tbs]

Go Stoner you lil Champ! Simply unfuckingbeatable at the Island. And it's a TRUE riders course. Sums it up nicely. No excuses about HP (it's one of the tracks where a good handling but slow nail can win). Fucking awesome. Then to turn down 15 Mill. Fucking GOLD.

I dunno....Give Rossi back his M1 and his overnights..........

[Drew]

The spec ECU thing won't happen in my opinion. It doesn't work, has been proven not to work, so it'd take a special group of retards to introduce it.

On a more pressing issue, I swear I was close to crying when Dani went down, I really wanted him to win this year.

Can anyone tell me, how many other GP riders have been denied the crown, with SIX wins in a season, no finish worse than fourth, and only two DNFs?

I realise there's a race to go still, and I think it'll be seven wins after that.

[tail_end_charlie]

Then you have the NASCAR problem. My perception of that is that NASCAR audiences (and I deliberately didnt use the word fans) could not give a crap about the technology, and of course NASCAR tech is famously limited, its all about the "personaliites" of the drivers.

In fact the best expression of that is to appeal to the widest viewer base you need to make the personal clashes very thrilling: so close racing. That implies close controls on the technology (or a spec vehicle, not just "control" tyres). And a casual fan watches motorsport for carnage. So in fact we're back at the Roman circus. Now, I'm all for feeding Xtians to lions (who wouldn't watch that?) but its a long long way from motorcycle racing (even car racing) as we know it.

NASCAR is more like a weekly TV drama series than anything that even slightly resembles good motor raceing. But they must be doing summat right ie hugh crowds every weekend, large fields of cars and big money for the drivers. I personally think it is about the dummest thing on TV.

Not so sure your average good ol' boy gives much of a shit about what people from New Jersey are up to?

I sometimes watch NASCAR and one thing they have often, that MotoGP has only seldom, is exciting finishes.

Your average "good 'ol boy" watches NASCAR because that is really the only motorsport aired regularly in the States. That and most of them base their knowledge of F1 on what they saw in Talladega Nights.

Your average "redneck" watches NASCAR because of the trashy drama that goes along with it (the crash carnage, ect that HDCase referenced) and Jersey Shore fits right in with that.


You have to remember that while good 'ol boys and rednecks are similar, they are not the same. The former is a regular guy that anyone can get along with, the later is a trashy asshole.

(Or at least those are the definitions that I've come up with over the years and to seperate the good people and the assholes. Note disclaimer below.)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hmmmm, interesting comment that I have dragged up because I seem to remember Casey making a hell of a save in FP3 (I think) at PI.

Don't worry too much about facts when it comes to the Stoner haters mate. They get so hot under the collar that they fabricate stuff and miss things like facts.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I dunno....Give Rossi back his M1 and his overnights..........

The only time Rossi has beaten Stoner around PI was Stoners first year on the sat Honda, when he was also on over the counter tyres .

[tbs]

The only time Rossi has beaten Stoner around PI was Stoners first year on the sat Honda, when he was also on over the counter tyres .

I needed to put in some emoticons or something, didn't I?

Hell of a day for the Aussies, that's for sure, and masterclasses by Pol and Casey.

So Nicky Hayden still holds the lap record, and as I understand it that's the race lap record, and he did it in his first year on an 800 Ducati? How weird is that? Must be something to do with that dirt-track cornering style.