Advice wanted about restricted licence laws

[Subike]

Loss of license time does not count for/in a time period a license is held.

Really? So if I loose my license for 12mths and one day, I can just jump on my bike and ride?
Its 2 years HOLDING a class of license me thinks you will find trev, not 2 calender years.
They do have things called computers, that record shit you do and can use arithmetic to calculate how many months you have held your license.

[FJRider]

Really? So if I loose my license for 12mths and one day, I can just jump on my bike and ride?

YOU know the answer to that (which is NO)

Its 2 years HOLDING a class of license me thinks you will find trev, not 2 calender years.
They do have things called computers, that record shit you do and can use arithmetic to calculate how many months you have held your license.

He was asking if the period he had lost his license for counted as time served ... on learners/restricted license .. which it does not.

[oneofsix]

He was asking if the period he had lost his license for counted as time served ... on learners/restricted license .. which it does not.

so effectively he does risk lengthening the number of calender months he spends on the lesser licence.
Which brings me back to the question that with 650s included in LAMs why would you risk a non-LAMs bike? Strikes me as madness.

[FJRider]

so effectively he does risk lengthening the number of calender months he spends on the lesser licence.
Which brings me back to the question that with 650s included in LAMs why would you risk a non-LAMs bike? Strikes me as madness.

Yes ... and that is HIS choice ... and the risks HE wants to take.

And the best of British luck to him ...

[Madness]

With LAMS allowing up to 650cc bikes why would you? Can't you do enough damage on a 650?

...Which brings me back to the question that with 650s included in LAMs why would you risk a non-LAMs bike? Strikes me as madness.

Al owns a Harley-Davidson & there aint many (if any) LAMS-approved H.D's. I'm guessing he bought it when under the old rules he was able to go from 6L to 6F in a short time.

Madness? I've heard of madder.

[al.]

so effectively he does risk lengthening the number of calender months he spends on the lesser licence.
Which brings me back to the question that with 650s included in LAMs why would you risk a non-LAMs bike? Strikes me as madness.

surely if disqualifying me/taking my licence (based on the fact that i have enough demerits 'up my sleeve') ISN'T an option open to police enforcing the offence of riding a bike with an engine with larger cubic capacity than that allowed under 'lams', then i don't actually risk extending the period before i can get my full ? (or have i missed something?)

also, to answer oneofsix's question, i'm not a total motorbike nut (yet...) and only own the one bike and it's the only road bike that really appeals to me and it happens to have an engine of 1340cc (here we go....lol)

[al.]

Al owns a Harley-Davidson & there aint many (if any) LAMS-approved H.D's. I'm guessing he bought it when under the old rules he was able to go from 6L to 6F in a short time.

Madness? I've heard of madder.

you got it in one madness

[FJRider]

surely if disqualifying me/taking my licence (based on the fact that i have enough demerits 'up my sleeve') ISN'T an option open to police enforcing the offence of riding a bike with an engine with larger cubic capacity than that allowed under 'lams', then i don't actually risk extending the period before i can get my full ? (or have i missed something?)

If ... with a simple charge of riding outside your conditions of license ... with the demerit points awarded being enough to lead to the automatic (as opposed to an officers decision to take it) loss of license. You will need to serve the 3 months walking before your restricted/learner period is counted. If you have 6 months (of either learner or restricted) to go when you get the ticket ... you will STILL have 6 months to go after you get your license back.

And they're getting serious about those forbidden to drive ... doing so .. (and expensive)

STILL ... YOUR CHOICE ...

[al.]

If ... with a simple charge of riding outside your conditions of license ... with the demerit points awarded being enough to lead to the automatic (as opposed to an officers decision to take it) loss of license. You will need to serve the 3 months walking before your restricted/learner period is counted. If you have 6 months (of either learner or restricted) to go when you get the ticket ... you will STILL have 6 months to go after you get your license back.

And they're getting serious about those forbidden to drive ... doing so .. (and expensive)

STILL ... YOUR CHOICE ...

cheers, and i get that, but hence my "i have enough demerits 'up my sleeve'" comment (i.e, if i get pulled up on my 1340cc while on my 6R, and the cop decides to go ahead with awarding me the maximum appropriate demerit points, i'll still be under the significant number of 100)

it's really only the loss of licence that i'm worried about and i still have 40 demerits left up my sleeve. (i've accumulated 60 in last couple of years thru driving over 100 k/m/h in my car on open road...)

[al.]

If ... with a simple charge of riding outside your conditions of license ... with the demerit points awarded being enough to lead to the automatic (as opposed to an officers decision to take it) loss of license. You will need to serve the 3 months walking before your restricted/learner period is counted. If you have 6 months (of either learner or restricted) to go when you get the ticket ... you will STILL have 6 months to go after you get your license back.

And they're getting serious about those forbidden to drive ... doing so .. (and expensive)

STILL ... YOUR CHOICE ...

cheers, and i get that, but hence my "i have enough demerits 'up my sleeve'" comment (i.e, if i get pulled up on my 1340cc while on my 6R, and the cop decides to go ahead with awarding me the maximum appropriate demerit points, i'll still be under the significant number of 100)

it's really only the loss of licence that i'm worried about and i still have 40 demerits left up my sleeve. (i've accumulated 60 in last couple of years thru driving over 100 k/m/h in my car on the open road...)

[FJRider]

cheers, and i get that, but hence my "i have enough demerits 'up my sleeve'" comment (i.e, if i get pulled up on my 1340cc while on my 6R, and the cop decides to go ahead with awarding me the maximum appropriate demerit points, i'll still be under the significant number of 100)

it's really only the loss of licence that i'm worried about and i still have 40 demerits left up my sleeve. (i've accumulated 60 in last couple of years thru driving over 100 k/m/h in my car on the open road...)

40 points are easy to gather ... pass a school bus that is picking up or dropping of passengers at more than 60 km/hr can get you an automatic 28 day walk. Plus what ever the court awards when you appear. Pass one at 50 ... and it would only take an "exceeding the posted speed limit (1 km over the tolerance) for your 3 month walk to take effect.

Two tickets for 70 in a 50 zone ...

Keeping a low profile on a Harley is easier said than done.

Good luck with that.

[Subike]

40 points are easy to gather ... pass a school bus that is picking up or dropping of passengers at more than 60 km/hr can get you an automatic 28 day walk. Plus what ever the court awards when you appear. Pass one at 50 ... and it would only take an "exceeding the posted speed limit (1 km over the tolerance) for your 3 month walk to take effect.

Two tickets for 70 in a 50 zone ...

Keeping a low profile on a Harley is easier said than done.

Good luck with that.

maybe he does not ride like you trev, not hard to keep under the radar, and on a harley thats really easy if you dont wear apatch

[FJRider]

maybe he does not ride like you trev, not hard to keep under the radar, and on a harley thats really easy if you dont wear apatch

I have NO demerits attached to my license .... so he does not (obviously) ride/drive ... like ME ...

[al.]

40 points are easy to gather ... pass a school bus that is picking up or dropping of passengers at more than 60 km/hr can get you an automatic 28 day walk. Plus what ever the court awards when you appear. Pass one at 50 ... and it would only take an "exceeding the posted speed limit (1 km over the tolerance) for your 3 month walk to take effect.

Two tickets for 70 in a 50 zone ...

Keeping a low profile on a Harley is easier said than done.

Good luck with that.

cheers, i get your point but i'm fully conscious of my vulnerable demerits situation (it's at the front of my mind every second that i'm driving-for example until my next points fall off (on 28 february '13) i'm painfully sitting like a brainless moron at red no-right-turn arrows and at those godforsaken motorway on ramp lights), and therefor i've managed to get no more points, pull-overs, or even sideways glances from cops since january, despite doing heaps of driving in a powerful (and stand out/distinctive these days) 70's falcon daily, incl to south canterbury and back 3 times and around auck a lot, and being a fast/competitive/intolerant of slow morons type driver by nature.

[FJRider]

cheers, i get your point but i'm fully conscious of my vulnerable demerits situation (it's at the front of my mind every second that i'm driving-for example until my next points fall off (on 28 february '13) i'm painfully sitting like a brainless moron at red no-right-turn arrows and at those godforsaken motorway on ramp lights), and therefor i've managed to get no more points, pull-overs, or even sideways glances from cops since january, despite doing heaps of driving in a powerful (and stand out/distinctive these days) 70's falcon daily, incl to south canterbury and back 3 times and around auck a lot, and being a fast/competitive/intolerant of slow morons type driver by nature.

Ummmm ....

I found this in the Land Transport Act 1998:


91. Cancellation and reinstatement of demerit points--- (1) When 2 years have elapsed since the commission of an offence in respect of which demerit points were recorded, the entry of the points made in respect of that offence ceases to have effect in relation to the person who committed that offence; but if demerit points were recorded in respect of 2 or more offences committed by that person, the entry ceases to have effect when 2 years have elapsed since the commission of the most recent of those offences.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...Demerit+Points