The rules are the rules

[Billy]

So can someone explain why undersized bikes with the wrong colour number board are consistently allowed to cross enter classes they should be excluded from?

F1 as per Vic Club rules (I can't see Tri-Series now that entries are closed) is for 601-1300cc 4 cylinder bikes with a white number board, black numbers - not 599cc 4 cylinder bikes with a yellow number board.

Same goes for F3 bikes entering F2, with less than 401cc 4 cyl bikes (or illegally sized 2 strokes) having the wrong number board (black background, white numbers in F3).

Check out the Tri-Series entry list here http://www.cemeterycircuit.co.nz/rid...tries-recieved and there are clearly some accepted entries that need to be revised ASAP.

Edit: sorry, don't mean to be an arsehole but if I'm gonna be sent home because my numbers are not the right font as stipulated by MNZ then I wanna make damn sure every one else is playing within the rules.

Vic club supp regs allow for the cross entry of Formula 2 machines,Into their Formula 1 class,

The reason for the clamp down on numbers are,In the event of a serious incident,We need to know who is involved asap,In the event there is a problem with your machine we need to be able to read the number easily so we can warn you via the black flag,Likewise the jump start penalty and on top of that,We have had written complaints from spectators who can't identify riders.

Apart from that,It is also a protestable issue as its in the rulebook that everybody applying for a licence,Agrees to read and abide by.

[slowpoke]

Vic club supp regs allow for the cross entry of Formula 2 machines,Into their Formula 1 class,

The reason for the clamp down on numbers are,In the event of a serious incident,We need to know who is involved asap,In the event there is a problem with your machine we need to be able to read the number easily so we can warn you via the black flag,Likewise the jump start penalty and on top of that,We have had written complaints from spectators who can't identify riders.

Apart from that,It is also a protestable issue as its in the rulebook that everybody applying for a licence,Agrees to read and abide by.

All good with the numbers Billy, I completely understand the difficulties around them and the reasons for clamping down.

I just wasn't aware that a club could unilaterally make up supplementary regs that contradicted the MNZ Rules. Doesn't quite seem kosher that a criteria is defined by MNZ but a club can ignore it. I don't mean to be argumentative, it's just farkin' confusing is all even after reading and re-reading the rules of both club and MNZ.

"for the definition of A go to section C and apply sub-clause B, except in the case of a club determining otherwise where all parts of sub-clause B shall apply except for appendix F where the conditions listed in the supplementary regs back in section A are met, and ignore contradictions that may arise etc etc"

Gawd, my bloody head hurts........

[Grumph]

"for the definition of A go to section C and apply sub-clause B, except in the case of a club determining otherwise where all parts of sub-clause B shall apply except for appendix F where the conditions listed in the supplementary regs back in section A are met, and ignore contradictions that may arise etc etc"

Gawd, my bloody head hurts........

If you want a headache try writing the bloody rules....

Billy, while I appreciate what you're trying to achieve and wish you and Stu luck....have you got the distributors on side with this ?

I ask because I was involved on the periphery of an instance some years back where a 250 prod bike was found to have a worked barrel...disqualified. On appeal, supported by a letter from the distributor saying the mods would have made no difference, the disqualification was overturned....

The distributors don't want to see competitors penalised while using their product and the same circumstance could arise again.

[ellipsis]

...the biggest problem with interpretation of the rules is somewhat akin to how democracy works...it doesn't...

[Drew]

So, the using of two standard inlet or exhaust cams instead of one of each, to achieve more lift or overlap is still ok? They are OE parts after all.

[slowpoke]

So, the using of two standard inlet or exhaust cams instead of one of each, to achieve more lift or overlap is still ok? They are OE parts after all.

Haha, nice thinking mate. But my interpretation (which is kinda like opinions and arseholes, and worth fuckall in my case) is that an OE part isn't just a part number but also a location. Check any manual or parts fiche type software and you'll see an exploded drawing with part numbers and arrows/lines to each part saying where it's fitted. So an exhaust cam in the inlet cam location is not Original Equipment. I like your thinking though, Smokey Yunick would approve!

[Drew]

Haha, nice thinking mate. But my interpretation (which is kinda like opinions and arseholes, and worth fuckall in my case) is that an OE part isn't just a part number but also a location. Check any manual or parts fiche type software and you'll see an exploded drawing with part numbers and arrows/lines to each part saying where it's fitted. So an exhaust cam in the inlet cam location is not Original Equipment. I like your thinking though, Smokey Yunick would approve!

Yer not following me here Spud. What I have described has been common practice for at least a decade.

[slowpoke]

Yer not following me here Spud. What I have described has been common practice for at least a decade.

Yep, sharp as a bowling ball me.

Interesting point though, is it known and accepted by the powers that be? Or is it something that has never been put to the test under protest?

Haha, I guess that leads to the next question: how many bikes can be protested at any given time by one individual?

[FROSTY:Me]

Yer not following me here Spud. What I have described has been common practice for at least a decade.

In what race class drew?

[Drew]

In what race class drew?

Only one I know to have had it done for a fact, was 600 proddie.

[FROSTY:Me]

common practice in F3 for sv's before the hot cams became available

[Grumph]

common practice in F3 for sv's before the hot cams became available

Which would suggest it may be being done in pro twins....protest and find out if it's a distributor approved fitting...

[Drew]

common practice in F3 for sv's before the hot cams became available

Hot cams have always been available, ya just need to have them built up and machined. That's been done for friggin ages.

Which would suggest it may be being done in pro twins....protest and find out if it's a distributor approved fitting...

I have tried and tried to get Deano to buy another set, but he refuses.

I argue that since we know heaps of the front bikes are cheating, he has fuck all choice if he wants to keep up. He just puts his bottom lip out and mutters about two wrongs or something romatically stupid like that.

[SWERVE]

Im sure it actually states in ProTwin rules that inlets must be in the inlet side and same for exhaust...to clarify that little mod.

[Drew]

Im sure it actually states in ProTwin rules that inlets must be in the inlet side and same for exhaust...to clarify that little mod.

Oh, well if you're sure then...