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[FJRider]

Speed limit is far too high for the straight roads no doubt.

But seriously... it's boredom, leading to inattention, coupled with being a southie.

But these are the very roads that "everybody" wants the speed limit increased

Do YOU want bored, inattentive, southie's .... coming at YOU at 120 km/hr ... ??? ...

At least in the NORTH island ... we just put it down to suicidal Jaffa's

[_Shrek_]

Depression?

I'd top myself if I lived in Canterbury.

thats coz you live in Dunners

[Zedder]

But these are the very roads that "everybody" wants the speed limit increased

Do YOU want bored, inattentive, southie's .... coming at YOU at 120 km/hr ... ??? ...

At least in the NORTH island ... we just put it down to suicidal Jaffa's

The speeding issue is always guaranteed to get peoples talkng.

I was quite intrigued to hear that no speed limit on the open road could happen again in Oz's Northern Territory. It's a very contentious subject over there at the moment. I've been there when it was a very high speed area and we often cruised at 140ks but were overtaken regularly. According to the stats less deaths etc though.

Apparently, they've now found it's not speeding but drink driving and lack of seat belt wearing that cause most accidents and deaths there.

[imdying]

George Orwell wrote about a future where big brother was watching you. With Facebook, twitter and every other social media interaction, big brother doesn't need to watch you, for the most part you are screaming every detail of your life at him anyway.

I agree... Orwell was right on the money with regards to monitoring, but even his forward thinking brain didn't for see a future where Big Brother would get all the information he could ever need thrown at him by the masses.

[Scuba_Steve]

Apparently, they've now found it's not speeding but drink driving and lack of seat belt wearing that cause most accidents and deaths there.

Speeding's not the problem here either, it causes shit all deaths in the grand scheme. But it is the most heavily inforced. In fact the inforcement to "speed" cause more detrimental effects that the "speed" itself.

[Zedder]

Speeding's not the problem here either, it causes shit all deaths in the grand scheme. But it is the most heavily inforced. In fact the inforcement to "speed" cause more detrimental effects that the "speed" itself.

The "enforcement effect" was mentioned as well. I did notice quite different behaviour while over there this time also. People I spoke with and rode with said everyone was more on edge (including cops) and it's not a good place to be.

[FJRider]

Apparently, they've now found it's not speeding but drink driving and lack of seat belt wearing that cause most accidents and deaths there.

ANY two of those three factors are the cause of most vehicle accident deaths in New Zealand.

And ANY one of those factors will be found in most vehicle injury accidents in New Zealand.

[swbarnett]

Because the 'judgement' of so many wax-heads on our roads is abysmal, our road toll shows that.

I've seen a drunk wood-louse with better judgement than a lot of road-users in NZ.

Just sayin...

What makes the judgement of our politicians any better?

Note that I'm not talking about front-line police. You guys don't set the speed limits.

[swbarnett]

So ... WHO are the "Special People" .. those laws DON"T apply to ... ???

Laws "for our benifit" almost always have a small humber of people that they are detrimental to. Just look at the WRBs.

Question answered ... YOU think you are "Special" then ... it must be a bugger being part of a minority group.

I honestly don't think I'm in a minority. Just because something becomes law does not mean it relects the view of the majority. Remember that we live under a parliamentery democracy, not a true democracy.

The majority benefit from the extra contributions ... those special people make to society too ...

I very much doubt that the ticket revenue of which you speak benifits the majority.

[FJRider]

... Just look at the WRBs.

Just look at the result ... if they weren't there.

Not ideal for motorbikes I agree. But they will have prevented more injury accidents (that could have involved motorcyclists) .... than they have caused to motorcyclists already.

And your choice of alternative is .. ???

I honestly don't think I'm in a minority. Just because something becomes law does not mean it relects the view of the majority. Remember that we live under a parliamentery democracy, not a true democracy.

It reflects the view of those in power. Voted in by majority. Is there a political party in New Zealand that would support the increase, of the national (excuse the pun) open road maximum speed limit ... ???

If there is not .. maybe we could form one. The political system we have in NZ would allow it.

I very much doubt that the ticket revenue of which you speak benifits the majority.

Lets test that theory. If nobody exceeds any posted speed limit ... how long do you think it would take Mr Key to raise the income tax level ... ??? (or just invent another tax to cover the shortfall)

I would be very surprised if revenue from traffic infringements not included in Government predicted financial budgets. AND counted on. (and the [freethinking] multitude oblige)

[swbarnett]

Just look at the result ... if they weren't there.

Has the road toll dropped significantly since their introduction?

And your choice of alternative is .. ???

I would support concrete barriers where they can be shown to be truly needed (which is a tiny fraction of the places where they have or want to put WRBs).

It reflects the view of those in power. Voted in by majority.

Which means that we can't know if any given law is supported by the majority. Like I said, we live under a Parliamentary democracy. In a true democracy every law change would be voted on by referendum. In Switzerland we even got the opportunity to cast a vote approving or disapproving the next year's budget.

Is there a political party in New Zealand that would support the increase, of the national (excuse the pun) open road maximum speed limit ... ???

I honestly don't know. I've never heard the topic debated at that level.

Lets test that theory. If nobody exceeds any posted speed limit ... how long do you think it would take Mr Key to raise the income tax level ... ??? (or just invent another tax to cover the shortfall)

I would be very surprised if revenue from traffic infringements not included in Government predicted financial budgets. AND counted on. (and the [freethinking] multitude oblige)

You may well have a point here that I hadn't considered. I would like to see all fine "revenue" withdrawn from the "offender's" bank accounts as paper money and burnt. That way there's no fine revenue to argue about.

[FJRider]

Has the road toll dropped significantly since their introduction?

Have they increased ... ???
Did any of the road toll deaths so far ... involve WRB's .... ?? (and were motorcyclists)
Or a life could have been saved if barriers of any kind were in place .. ??

I would support concrete barriers where they can be shown to be truly needed (which is a tiny fraction of the places where they have or want to put WRBs).

Some (idiot) person drives off the road and the knee-jerk reaction of the do-gooders is to scream for barriers to be installed to prevent anybody else going off there. Then in similar places ... more go up. They are truly needed at spots people might drive off the road and kill themselves. Until they're truly needed ... they're just an eyesore.

Which means that we can't know if any given law is supported by the majority. Like I said, we live under a Parliamentary democracy. In a true democracy every law change would be voted on by referendum. In Switzerland we even got the opportunity to cast a vote approving or disapproving the next year's budget.

Perhaps those against the WRB's should write to their MP and ask for a statement on their opinion / policy on the matter. And a letter/E.mail to all political parties and ask the same.
I believe referendums are a waste of tax-payers money (in NZ) The government is no obligation to hold one ... AND ... under no obligation to make ANY changes whatsoever afterwards. Regardless of the result. (as was proved after the last one about changes to MMP)

I honestly don't know. I've never heard the topic debated at that level.

Those that want to know should ask their local MP.

You may well have a point here that I hadn't considered. I would like to see all fine "revenue" withdrawn from the "offender's" bank accounts as paper money and burnt. That way there's no fine revenue to argue about.

There are plenty of more appropriate things to spend that funding on ... like roads ... and driver training ...

[Scuba_Steve]

Have they increased ... ???

relatively speaking yes it is quite possible

I believe referendums are a waste of tax-payers money (in NZ) The government is no obligation to hold one ... AND ... under no obligation to make ANY changes whatsoever afterwards. Regardless of the result. (as was proved after the last one about changes to MMP)

As they stand you are right, we live in a dictatorship by another name. But he was talking about legally binding referendums

There are plenty of more appropriate things to spend that funding on ... like roads ... and driver training ...

But the money doesn't go to anything worth while, just the MP's back pockets.

[rastuscat]

The speeding issue is always guaranteed to get peoples talkng.

I was quite intrigued to hear that no speed limit on the open road could happen again in Oz's Northern Territory. It's a very contentious subject over there at the moment. I've been there when it was a very high speed area and we often cruised at 140ks but were overtaken regularly. According to the stats less deaths etc though.

Apparently, they've now found it's not speeding but drink driving and lack of seat belt wearing that cause most accidents and deaths there.

A drunk driver who crashes at 50 is safer than a drunk driver who crashes at 70.

Just statins' da obvious.

[scumdog]

A drunk driver who crashes at 50 is safer than a drunk driver who crashes at 70.

Just statins' da obvious.

Especially if they're wearing their seat-belt.