American gun mania

[SMOKEU]

I'd feel infringed because I like all other legal firearms users in this country have actually had to prove ourselves before we were given our firearms licences.

How the fuck did you get a firearms license?!

[carburator]

What kind of rifles do you guys use on the job?

L1A1 with a L1A2 barrel and lower..
bell and carson stock with a limbsaver

thats old faitful, bit of a battleaxle built out of four SLR's

[blue rider]

I'd feel infringed because I like all other legal firearms users in this country have actually had to prove ourselves before we were given our firearms licences.

And as I already said,,but nobody has responded to" we legal firearms owners are the largest group of police vetted and approved people in this country,,,and it is not us creating the problems

It's not as if we are like most bikers that get their bike licence and then go straight out and break the very laws they have just agreed to abide by.

As to why I'd like a Chinese copy of an M14,because I do and under NZ law I have earnt the right to,,end of story.

So how would you feel about having the right to own a bike taken from you because of what either criminals or the mentaly ill that have nothing to do with you have got up to.

guns are made to kill somethings. bikes are made to get from a to b with the most fun in mind - i don't think you can compare the two. And yes guns are made for killing, target practice is just that, target practice.

But in saying that, the killer of this particular mass shooting got the gun of his mothers whom he killed before he went on his shooting spree. His mothers guns and rifles were all legal, and she was the one who took the killer to legal target practice etc.

I personally don't care if you have guns and what nots....but if others have access to it and than go boom kill a bunch of kiddies in a school, or patrons at a restaurant etc etc than I think the question as to why these highly powerful weapons are available to Jo and Jane Six Pack without many checks and balances, and why there are no restrictions on how to keep them is valid and should be answered. Why? Because it is in general unarmed people that get killed.

At the end of the day your or my opinion is moot and worthless in this case, but I pity the parents that have to live without their children, i pity the husbands and parents and children that have to live without their partners/children and mothers. Just because some sick puppy got a weapon from his equally sick mother (as per her sister she was of the black helicopter crowd waiting for armageddon) to shoot a bunch of 6 years old and their teachers.

It is not us here discussing the events that have thrown egg at the face of the gun lobby. It was a 20 year old, who took the legal weapons of his mother to kill.

Because at the end of the day, no one needs semi automatic or fully automatic weapons unless they belive there is a war coming, - and yes scumdog I have absolutly no idea about guns and rifles, but surely goats got killed before the AK47 was invented.

[Road kill]

How the fuck did you get a firearms license?!

I knew our local arms officer at the time from our years of bowhunting and club membership togeather.

I knew the guy from the Mountain saftey council that does the licencing classes from all the MSC courses I've done.

I know the local inspector that comes out an does the safe and security inspections,,because he's a mate.

I'm not actually the nut I come across as on this site at times.

Thank you very much "please come again.

[scumdog]

and yes scumdog I have absolutly no idea about guns and rifles, but surely goats got killed before the AK47 was invented.

You could do youself a nasty injury while cutting their throats, especially if you're doing them by the dozen...

Mate, there's a gazzilion semi-automatic rifles here in NZ, they're everywhere, OK, not all look like those (shock, horror, gasp) dreaded 'assault rifles' - but have the same killing ability.

It's not the guns, it's the psyche of the people living in the country - have a look at Canadas figures vs USA.
From memory the fire-arm ownership per capita is about the same in both countries - yet look at the disparity in massacres.

[Road kill]

guns are made to kill somethings. bikes are made to get from a to b with the most fun in mind - i don't think you can compare the two. And yes guns are made for killing, target practice is just that, target practice.

But in saying that, the killer of this particular mass shooting got the gun of his mothers whom he killed before he went on his shooting spree. His mothers guns and rifles were all legal, and she was the one who took the killer to legal target practice etc.

I personally don't care if you have guns and what nots....but if others have access to it and than go boom kill a bunch of kiddies in a school, or patrons at a restaurant etc etc than I think the question as to why these highly powerful weapons are available to Jo and Jane Six Pack without many checks and balances, and why there are no restrictions on how to keep them is valid and should be answered. Why? Because it is in general unarmed people that get killed.

At the end of the day your or my opinion is moot and worthless in this case, but I pity the parents that have to live without their children, i pity the husbands and parents and children that have to live without their partners/children and mothers. Just because some sick puppy got a weapon from his equally sick mother (as per her sister she was of the black helicopter crowd waiting for armageddon) to shoot a bunch of 6 years old and their teachers.

It is not us here discussing the events that have thrown egg at the face of the gun lobby. It was a 20 year old, who took the legal weapons of his mother to kill.

Because at the end of the day, no one needs semi automatic or fully automatic weapons unless they belive there is a war coming, - and yes scumdog I have absolutly no idea about guns and rifles, but surely goats got killed before the AK47 was invented.

Ok,don't answer the question.

I didn't say anything about this particular case "nore did I compere bikes to guns

I replied to your question about how I feel and I asked how you would feel if "your" right to own something you felt you had a right to own was removed because of somebody else's actions.

But don't let that get in the way of your "admitted" ignorance based rant.

[mashman]

I replied to your question about how I feel and I asked how you would feel if "your" right to own something you felt you had a right to own was removed because of somebody else's actions.

That sounds like the argument for the prohibition of "dangerous" illegal substances v's "dangerous" legal substances. A right indeed.

[oneofsix]

You could do youself a nasty injury while cutting their throats, especially if you're doing them by the dozen...

Mate, there's a gazzilion semi-automatic rifles here in NZ, they're everywhere, OK, not all look like those (shock, horror, gasp) dreaded 'assault rifles' - but have the same killing ability.

It's not the guns, it's the psyche of the people living in the country - have a look at Canadas figures vs USA.
From memory the fire-arm ownership per capita is about the same in both countries - yet look at the disparity in massacres.

Might be the type of guns they are allowed. Those that own "assault rifles" don't do so for the automatic feature but because they look military and make the small penis feel like big guns. Just like Pit Bulls might be able to be "nice" dogs as many pure bred lovers claim however who tends to want to own the dog with the "vicious" streak and why, it the same group of small dicks that will want the assault rifles. Not sure but my feeling here is that Canada doesn't allow assault rifles nor hand guns. The Swiss have more guns per head than the USA but again restrict types and also train the owner, most through military service.

[blue rider]

Ok,don't answer the question.

I didn't say anything about this particular case "nore did I compere bikes to guns

I replied to your question about how I feel and I asked how you would feel if "your" right to own something you felt you had a right to own was removed because of somebody else's actions.

But don't let that get in the way of your "admitted" ignorance based rant.

thanks for your kind reply much appreciated.

my answer, if that super duper bike can kill 20 kids in less than two hours no one needs to ride it. a gn 250 in that case will get everyone from a t b and kill a goat in no time.

good enough?

[SMOKEU]

Those that own "assault rifles" don't do so for the automatic feature but because they look military and make the small penis feel like big guns.

Not really. Would you say the same thing about those who buy sports bikes or a V8 car?

[Road kill]

thanks for your kind reply much appreciated.

my answer, if that super duper bike can kill 20 kids in less than two hours no one needs to ride it. a gn 250 in that case will get everyone from a t b and kill a goat in no time.

good enough?

As much as can be expected from somebody that just doesn't want to answer a question because they don't want to accept anybody else's point of view but their own even when that point/opinion is based in ignorance.

[Road kill]

That sounds like the argument for the prohibition of "dangerous" illegal substances v's "dangerous" legal substances. A right indeed.

It wasn't an argument it was a very basic question that nobody seems to have an honest an straight forward in answer to.

Btw,,it is a right for any law abiding New Zealander to own firearms covered by their licence class.

So what's your problem with that ?

[Usarka]

It wasn't an argument it was a very basic question that nobody seems to have an honest an straight forward in answer to.

Btw,,it is a right for any law abiding New Zealander to own firearms covered by their licence class.

So what's your problem with that ?

A "right" is only just a law of the country you live in. Rights (and laws) change with time. You have no rights apart from what the government lets you have.

[mashman]

It wasn't an argument it was a very basic question that nobody seems to have an honest an straight forward in answer to.

Btw,,it is a right for any law abiding New Zealander to own firearms covered by their licence class.

So what's your problem with that ?

We should go back to bow and arrows.

[Delerium]

guns are made to kill somethings. bikes are made to get from a to b with the most fun in mind - i don't think you can compare the two. And yes guns are made for killing, target practice is just that, target practice.

But in saying that, the killer of this particular mass shooting got the gun of his mothers whom he killed before he went on his shooting spree. His mothers guns and rifles were all legal, and she was the one who took the killer to legal target practice etc.

I personally don't care if you have guns and what nots....but if others have access to it and than go boom kill a bunch of kiddies in a school, or patrons at a restaurant etc etc than I think the question as to why these highly powerful weapons are available to Jo and Jane Six Pack without many checks and balances, and why there are no restrictions on how to keep them is valid and should be answered. Why? Because it is in general unarmed people that get killed.

At the end of the day your or my opinion is moot and worthless in this case, but I pity the parents that have to live without their children, i pity the husbands and parents and children that have to live without their partners/children and mothers. Just because some sick puppy got a weapon from his equally sick mother (as per her sister she was of the black helicopter crowd waiting for armageddon) to shoot a bunch of 6 years old and their teachers.

It is not us here discussing the events that have thrown egg at the face of the gun lobby. It was a 20 year old, who took the legal weapons of his mother to kill.

Because at the end of the day, no one needs semi automatic or fully automatic weapons unless they belive there is a war coming, - and yes scumdog I have absolutly no idea about guns and rifles, but surely goats got killed before the AK47 was invented.

No one NEEDS a motorbike, no one NEEDS a car that can do over 100, so lets speed limit all of them.

Stopping people from having the right to have something because the dont need it is a fucking dangerous precedent. Dont go down that road.