The rules are the rules

[jellywrestler]

At PMCC meetings, you bring your helmet to briefing and they put a sticker on it. Proof that you were there, but not necessarily that you listened.

or you even took your helmet there...
At least you're trying, roll call would take too long maybe an arm band would be handed out but that's got issues in that i could get one for another person etc

[yungatart]

or you even took your helmet there...
At least you're trying, roll call would take too long maybe an arm band would be handed out but that's got issues in that i could get one for another person etc

I am not a member of PMCC, but, yes, they are trying.
You can't legislate against stupidity though or arrogance either. Somewhere along the line, honesty should prevail...or is that my idealism showing again

[SWERVE]

Some years back we pulled down the entire 250 prod field after the last points race of the season at Levels. Very amusing...

We had supplied by Suzuki, a std head, barrel, piston and head & base gaskets for comparison purposes.

From memory 3 running without air cleaner elements, a couple of shaved heads, one ported motor as i've quoted earlier - and one of the ones without an air cleaner had a dead flat battery when the charging system was tested. It was gently pointed out to him that was probably costing him a couple of HP - but he was out anyway with no air cleaner...
I believe the first 3 in 600 prod have been pulled down in the past too.
It can be done - but probably should be earlier in the season, even if this cuts down on the number coming South....

Top 3 600,s were inspected at Invergargill in 2011 if i remember correctly...... im sure STU/BILLY has a plan for this year.
When i used to work at track days in UK, we used to have a roped off area for briefing with only one exit ,,all riders were asked to bring helmet to briefing. As they filed out through exit all helmet owners were given a small laminated card as proof of attendance. This card had to be placed in the gap between screen and nose cone of bike when you went out for first session. As each bike passed 2 people at end of pitlane thay removed the cards from front of bike (it took no time at all with 2 people.) Simple NO card - NO tracktime.
But we did sometimes get a pit crew member attend with riders helmet.... but at least one member of crew had attended briefing. But as stated just cos you attended doesnt mean you are listening as is all too apparaent it seems.

[Skunk]

...Then read the Vic Club rules regarding the capacity limits for the Formula classes.....but not the fine print that basically disregards the capacity limits.

Which bit is that? I just read them and can't see that. I'd like to clarify it if it's being mis-read.

[Deano]

I reckon it should be done at a critical point in the season. If anyone is going to cheat it's in the latter half of the season when things are tight and every single point counts.

Unless you cheat early on and build a nice lead, then revert your engine back for the latter two rounds.

[Mental Trousers]

Unless you cheat early on and build a nice lead, then revert your engine back for the latter two rounds.

Would need to be a big lead otherwise you risk getting caught.

[Drew]

Motors get pulled down at the start of the season. When they are put back together, they are sealed. Simple.

[roogazza]

Unless you cheat early on and build a nice lead, then revert your engine back for the latter two rounds.

Dean, testing completed. You may have go with heavier springs though !

[slowpoke]

Hmmm, this isn't World Superbikes, many of us won't EVER go inside our engines, so the prospect of engines being inspected once or twice a year is pretty daunting financially and will scare off most average club members thinking about the odd Championship entry close to home. All there needs to be is a CREDIBLE RISK of being inspected and most will play by the rules. We may be at one end of the spectrum with very few inspections at the moment but lets not go too far the other way and impose unnecessary burdens on already stretched finances.

I can't help feeling it's the bikes that are partly to blame these days. It's one thing ripping the top off a 350LC or X7 but a completely different thing pulling apart a GSXR600 or similar. The level of technical knowledge these days to actually inspect a bike is just getting ridiculous and would be incredibly time consuming to do in any sort of meaningful way.

I support some kind of checks but the actual logistics and cost of doing so are frightening. And what the hell are you supposed to do if you are 1000km's from home/workshop and someone decides they need to strip your bike? How are you supposed to go racing the next weekend? Most of us have got a reasonable mechanical knowledge but we're not full bottle motorcycle mechanics able to reassemble an engine trackside.

I don't know what the answer is but realistically we are only racing for pride and a $20 plastic trophy, so we need to keep it in perspective.

[Drew]

Hmmm, this isn't World Superbikes, many of us won't EVER go inside our engines, so the prospect of engines being inspected once or twice a year is pretty daunting financially and will scare off most average club members thinking about the odd Championship entry close to home. All there needs to be is a CREDIBLE RISK of being inspected and most will play by the rules. We may be at one end of the spectrum with very few inspections at the moment but lets not go too far the other way and impose unnecessary burdens on already stretched finances.

I can't help feeling it's the bikes that are partly to blame these days. It's one thing ripping the top off a 350LC or X7 but a completely different thing pulling apart a GSXR600 or similar. The level of technical knowledge these days to actually inspect a bike is just getting ridiculous and would be incredibly time consuming to do in any sort of meaningful way.

I support some kind of checks but the actual logistics and cost of doing so are frightening. And what the hell are you supposed to do if you are 1000km's from home/workshop and someone decides they need to strip your bike? How are you supposed to go racing the next weekend? Most of us have got a reasonable mechanical knowledge but we're not full bottle motorcycle mechanics able to reassemble an engine trackside.

I don't know what the answer is but realistically we are only racing for pride and a $20 plastic trophy, so we need to keep it in perspective.

Are you kidding? It's a piece of piss to whip the head off a modern bike and have it fucked with.

You don't think people are doing it, and mid to rear pack with you, (I'm not being mean bro, just stacking my case), they probably aren't. In superbike and supersport it might not be happening at all, (I highly fuckin doubt it though, where's Ozzy to answer a few questions when ya need him)?

It doesn't mean the same thing to you, as it does to other people. You do it for love of riding fast, the top guys wanna win. I know you can't understand why it would be that important to them, the same as I can't understand why the hell anyone races to do anything other than win.

[slowpoke]

Are you kidding? It's a piece of piss to whip the head off a modern bike and have it fucked with.

You don't think people are doing it, and mid to rear pack with you, (I'm not being mean bro, just stacking my case), they probably aren't. In superbike and supersport it might not be happening at all, (I highly fuckin doubt it though, where's Ozzy to answer a few questions when ya need him)?

It doesn't mean the same thing to you, as it does to other people. You do it for love of riding fast, the top guys wanna win. I know you can't understand why it would be that important to them, the same as I can't understand why the hell anyone races to do anything other than win.

No offence taken mate, never a truer word spoken regards where I sit. But I completely understand why it's important to the front runners', I've been at the pointy end in other sports myself....but we're not racing to find a cure for cancer. I got a bit twisted up in an earlier life keeping that in mind myself, hence you probably see me as too much the other way these days but so be it.

I'm not saying nobody fucks with 'em, I'm saying it's a much bigger job in both time and knowledge to police than it was back in the day. How long is it gonna take to strip say the Production 600 podium finishers? Who's gonna do it? And they have to be reassembled ready to race inside a couple of days so you don't miss the mid-week practice. For many of us that's just not do-able.

As an example I don't like the OEM slipper clutch in my GSXR. I checked it over the other week, getting ready for heading down south, and thought how easy would it be to modify the ramps for a more progressive action? Another high profile superbike I know of had a close ratio gearbox installed. So the tech inspection has to be a shitload more than just ripping the head off and after Ozzy (who is a GSXR guru) refreshed my bike last year I know what we are talking about in both labour time and cost.

[Billy]

No offence taken mate, never a truer word spoken regards where I sit. But I completely understand why it's important to the front runners', I've been at the pointy end in other sports myself....but we're not racing to find a cure for cancer. I got a bit twisted up in an earlier life keeping that in mind myself, hence you probably see me as too much the other way these days but so be it.

I'm not saying nobody fucks with 'em, I'm saying it's a much bigger job in both time and knowledge to police than it was back in the day. How long is it gonna take to strip say the Production 600 podium finishers? Who's gonna do it? And they have to be reassembled ready to race inside a couple of days so you don't miss the mid-week practice. For many of us that's just not do-able.

As an example I don't like the OEM slipper clutch in my GSXR. I checked it over the other week, getting ready for heading down south, and thought how easy would it be to modify the ramps for a more progressive action? Another high profile superbike I know of had a close ratio gearbox installed. So the tech inspection has to be a shitload more than just ripping the head off and after Ozzy (who is a GSXR guru) refreshed my bike last year I know what we are talking about in both labour time and cost.

The one thing you need to take into consideration Spud,Is with most late model Jap stuff and by late model I mean as far back as 88,If you don't put the full range of parts available in,Then the benefits are minimal,Its pretty easy to check cams,Ignition maps etc and if we find anything irregular there,Then the decision will be made as to whether the machine is stripped further and some will be surprised at some of the stuff we check,Not sure that your concerns re the ability to get the job done in an orderly fashion carry much weight either,There will be plenty of hands on deck with Stu Holdaway the tech rep and a very experienced and accomplished motorcycle technician with 40 years experience,As well as myself and Peter Ramage and 2 members from the clubs running each round,All taken care of in a proper parc ferme in a garage supplied by the organising club,Not saying we're gonna be on a witch hunt,But the masses have asked for this sort of thing for long enough and its time to deliver,Enjoy!!!!

[slowpoke]

The one thing you need to take into consideration Spud,Is with most late model Jap stuff and by late model I mean as far back as 88,If you don't put the full range of parts available in,Then the benefits are minimal,Its pretty easy to check cams,Ignition maps etc and if we find anything irregular there,Then the decision will be made as to whether the machine is stripped further and some will be surprised at some of the stuff we check,Not sure that your concerns re the ability to get the job done in an orderly fashion carry much weight either,There will be plenty of hands on deck with Stu Holdaway the tech rep and a very experienced and accomplished motorcycle technician with 40 years experience,As well as myself and Peter Ramage and 2 members from the clubs running each round,All taken care of in a proper parc ferme in a garage supplied by the organising club,Not saying we're gonna be on a witch hunt,But the masses have asked for this sort of thing for long enough and its time to deliver,Enjoy!!!!

Thanks Billy. Sorry mate, seem to be arguing a lot but just trying to imagine how it would all play out in real life. Didn't mean to cast dispersions regarding technical ability, just knew it had to come from somewhere and some smart technical folks were going to be required when volounteers are already thin on the ground. Parc ferme/garage was also a worry as I was thinking about it: as you know our facilities can be a lil' challenging but it sounds like you are well and truly on to it.

Enough of me playing devils advocate, I'll be trying to do exactly as you suggest, albeit a day or so late come the first round. See ya there.

[Deano]

Just querying here - If your bike is subjected to a small strip down to check compliance and it's all good, it gets reassembled at no cost to the racer?

If it's been hot rodded, the racer gets handed back the bits and told to bugger off ?

[Deano]

Hey Merv,
how does the UK dyno testing and HP limit work?

As Spud pointed out before about temperature, air pressure etc - there must be equations to factor that all in yeah?