ANPR vans

[oneofsix]

Ah, the old subjective limit chestnut.

It's unenforceable, that's why the law is what it is.

Tell you what, come up with a way of actually enforcing your suggestion, and I'll support you. Remember though, that I work in the real world of enforcement, so I know what the practical application of law looks like.

What do you suggest?

I got one that worked, seeing as we are talking of camera vans and all that. A return to the 80 percentile rule but I would like to add a lower 80 percentile as well. I'm sure you remember the old rules back when cameras were first introduced, black spots only, clearly visible, and only pinged you if you were exceeding what others drove at on that road providing it was over the 9k tolerance, back when they were trying to use cameras to enhance road safety.

[swbarnett]

Ah, the old subjective limit chestnut.

It's unenforceable, that's why the law is what it is.

Ah, the old one bad apple so let's chuck out the whole barrel chestnut.

Just because you can't distinguish that small percentage that are truly driving too fast for the conditions you'd rather penalise everybody?

Tell you what, come up with a way of actually enforcing your suggestion, and I'll support you. Remember though, that I work in the real world of enforcement, so I know what the practical application of law looks like.

What do you suggest?

I do have a solution for all this but I know it will never be implemented because it would require a strong stomach and a willingness to spend money on the part of the voting public.

The first step is intensive training before even being allowed on the road. Train drivers like fighter pilots and be prepared to fail a large percentage. Add to this compulsary refresher courses every five years that must be passed to renew your license.

Issue tickets for apparent bad behaviour on the road to your heart's content but the one and only penalty for said tickets would be to bring forward the five year refresher course. Fail the course, no license.

The next step is to let drivers have the road. There is only one way to know within reasonable doubt who the bad drivers are once they are let loose. Wait until the accident happens and then throw the book at them.

[scumdog]

The next step is to let drivers have the road. There is only one way to know within reasonable doubt who the bad drivers are once they are let loose. Wait until the accident happens and then throw the book at them.

And it's even easier to hit them with said book if they're lying dead in their car!!

[oneofsix]

And it's even easier to hit them with said book if they're lying dead in their car!!

Shit yeah, the way you fuckers aim you need a stationary target.

[swbarnett]

And it's even easier to hit them with said book if they're lying dead in their car!!

Indeed.

One other thing I forgot to add that has to be taken on board to make this work. People die, get used to it! A zero road toll is unacheivable.

[oneofsix]

Indeed.

One other thing I forgot to add that has to be taken on board to make this work. People die, get used to it! A zero road toll is unacheivable.

like with the alcohol thing, it is not the them that worries us it is the us they might take out with them. But also like the alcohol thing there is a point where the prevention goes beyond that and becomes a problem in itself. we have reached that point with alcohol where it is those 2 to 3 times the current limit that are the issue so what answer is considered politically correct, lower a limit that is already low enough instead of thumbing the fuckers that are way over the limit. As I said earlier don't get anal about the 100k limit and stupid mini tolerance but go for the reasonable speed. Anybody else noticed how dickheads worry about staying below but cruse throw 50k areas, where most accidents happen, at 60+, they have no real idea about what really causes accidents or how to drive.

[BoristheBiter]

The next step is to let drivers have the road. There is only one way to know within reasonable doubt who the bad drivers are once they are let loose. Wait until the accident happens and then throw the book at them.

Great, more ambo's at the bottom of the cliff.

tell this idea to someones family thats just been taken out by some fucktard that thinks they can drive.

[swbarnett]

Great, more ambo's at the bottom of the cliff.

I'd rather have them at the bottom of the cliff trusting most people to stay back from the precipise than blocking the view from the top.

tell this idea to someones family thats just been taken out by some fucktard that thinks they can drive.

Obviously that someone is going to have their view coloured by the event. What they will miss is that, under the regime I propose the chances of this happening will be less than they are currently because those that truly shouldn't be driving are mostly weeded out at the training stage.

[scumdog]

Obviously that someone is going to have their view coloured by the event. What they will miss is that, under the regime I propose the chances of this happening will be less than they are currently because those that truly shouldn't be driving are mostly weeded out at the training stage.

Or as they do right now - just don't bother to get a licence and drive crappy cars...

[Zedder]

As long as money from fines/infringements goes into the gummint consolidated fund, and is not channelled to road safety initiatives, there will be little change.

Also, speeding etc appears to be like all crimes, it's a "don't give a crap about others rights, safety, possessions" mentality. Respect has gone out the window.

[swbarnett]

Or as they do right now - just don't bother to get a licence and drive crappy cars...

Just think of the revenue from car confiscations. No ticket, just take the car and scrap it.

Also, there are a number of people who, given the choice, would elect not to drive at all. I saw this in Switzerland. The public transport was so good that a motorised vehicle was not the necessity it is here. You could get to the most remote part of the country at least once a day (or was that once a week?) by bus or train. The nett result was that those drivers left on the road were of a higher standard.

[swbarnett]

Also, speeding etc appears to be like all crimes, it's a "don't give a crap about others rights, safety, possessions" mentality. Respect has gone out the window.

The point I am trying to make is that a lot of the speeding tickets are given out for "offences" that don't have any affect whatsoever on others rights, safety or possessions.

[caspernz]

Just think of the revenue from car confiscations. No ticket, just take the car and scrap it.

Also, there are a number of people who, given the choice, would elect not to drive at all. I saw this in Switzerland. The public transport was so good that a motorised vehicle was not the necessity it is here. You could get to the most remote part of the country at least once a day (or was that once a week?) by bus or train. The nett result was that those drivers left on the road were of a higher standard.

The idea of refresher training and traffic school type of punishments is a valid one.

But making it happen will take a herculian effort to undo the brainwashing that various Govt agencies have inflicted on their own staff, just for starters.

The punishment in this country for driving without a licence, or a vehicle that is not warranted or registered...just a joke. And that is if you even get caught...

As for drunk drivers...I favour roadside executions for repeat offenders

[Berg]

The idea of refresher training and traffic school type of punishments is a valid one.

But making it happen will take a herculian effort to undo the brainwashing that various Govt agencies have inflicted on their own staff, just for starters.

The punishment in this country for driving without a licence, or a vehicle that is not warranted or registered...just a joke. And that is if you even get caught...

As for drunk drivers...I favour roadside executions for repeat offenders

Something we definitely agree on, courts don't take serious offending seriously enough. 9 months loss of licence plus PD for speeding (180kph), failing to stop and dangerous driving. That's a fucking joke and pisses of police who do their best to get these dangerous wankers off the road.
Minimum loss of licence for failing to stop, repeat drink drivers, dangerous driving etc should be two years then when, not if (trust me, most drive) they drive while disq take the car and sell it at Turners. Don't give a shit if its mummy or daddy's or works car, truck or bike, its gone. Our courts need to harden the fuck up!

[Zedder]

The point I am trying to make is that a lot of the speeding tickets are given out for "offences" that don't have any affect whatsoever on others rights, safety or possessions.

I understand. I wasn't writing about the driver who goes a few ks over the limit or the one who gives their vehicle/bike a good squirt on a nice low traffic road somewhere out in the countryside.

It's the retard who tears around everywhere at a speed way higher than they can handle that I'm on about. My point there is they don't have the social interest that most other drivers have and are a danger to themselves and others. Also, because of those types to a certain degree, we're all suffering from collective pinging.