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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie View Post
    true true, i really enjoyed wangas and thought it was well done. loved my first taste of street racing. itching fr next one!
    Quote Originally Posted by scrivy View Post
    Definitely! We don't want another injury.
    I'm amused that you think a tiny little font brake master cylinder off a bike, will work a calliper big enough to fit on the disk the front of a chair.

    If you insist on two braking systems, (which cars don't have by the way, racing cannot be made completely safe after all), they should both be capable of actually stopping the thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    I'm amused that you think a tiny little font brake master cylinder off a bike, will work a calliper big enough to fit on the disk the front of a chair.

    If you insist on two braking systems, (which cars don't have by the way, racing cannot be made completely safe after all), they should both be capable of actually stopping the thing.
    No, thats right, cars have three braking systems, a tandem master cylnder, plus a handbrake.
    Thats why you have to cut a front & a rear brake hose, plus the handbrake cable on a car if you want to fuck your ex up.
    The auxilary brake is usually a single piston bike caliper, often with a spacer in it to accomodate the vented disc,
    operated by a common garden variety bike master cylnder, quite effective & been around for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    I'm amused that you think a tiny little font brake master cylinder off a bike, will work a calliper big enough to fit on the disk the front of a chair.
    its a fancy AP master cyl running a JZ caliper and it seems works ok when cold, it can lock front wheel. however after a race or few laps the fluid must boil as it just goes to the end of its travel.. gotta pump it up before u get the brake back - not really gonna wok in an emergency ill look at it one day.. doesnt help the brake lines are routed over the headers lol.

    and nah im not racing for safety sake.. i wanna do the iom one day after all lol.. loooove it.

    but u can always try minimise the risk a wee bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivy View Post
    I hope there is a total rulebook re-write about sidecar brake systems.
    I've always thought it absolutely absurd to rely on 1 pedal (even with two master cylinders in use) to be sufficient for total braking.
    Just 'cause long bikes came into NZ like that, didn't mean it was right to change the rulebook from what we had - two independent systems.
    Don't rely on someone else to do it, nothing stopping you putting a remit in through whatever club you belong to
    Quote Originally Posted by scrivy View Post
    Chris Lawrance and Darren Pate had brake fade - with Chris hitting a marshall on the escape road! Would that have happened if a separate independent system was in place?
    It wouldn't happen if proper pads for the temp they're reaching were used either and fluid was changed on a regular basis
    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie View Post
    i still run a second hand brake.. fluid is always boiled over wen i want to use it.. should look at that sometime..
    Once the fluid boils it is pretty close to useless and needs to be changed, if it is always boiling then something in the system needs to be changed
    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    I'm amused that you think a tiny little font brake master cylinder off a bike, will work a calliper big enough to fit on the disk the front of a chair.
    They will quite easily if you match up the right componentry, first chair I raced on had a 4pot JFZ worked by a motorcycle master cylinder on the front and worked just fine because we used the right pad compound and m/c diameter
    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie View Post
    its a fancy AP master cyl running a JZ caliper and it seems works ok when cold, it can lock front wheel. however after a race or few laps the fluid must boil as it just goes to the end of its travel.. gotta pump it up before u get the brake back - not really gonna wok in an emergency ill look at it one day.. doesnt help the brake lines are routed over the headers lol.
    Dont fuck about, fix it or the one day you need it might see you and your passenger into a wall somewhere
    "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."


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    Even BP would shy away from cleaning up a sidecar oil spill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    No, thats right, cars have three braking systems, a tandem master cylnder, plus a handbrake.
    Thats why you have to cut a front & a rear brake hose, plus the handbrake cable on a car if you want to fuck your ex up.
    The auxilary brake is usually a single piston bike caliper, often with a spacer in it to accomodate the vented disc,
    operated by a common garden variety bike master cylnder, quite effective & been around for years.
    Both outfits I've worked on had a stupid big calliper and a tiny bike master.

    God I love being wrong.

    I do have to ask though, if you think they should be there, why didn't you have one the other day?

    I have taken it off both ours, and Leanne's while I used it. Just extra un sprung weight we don't need or use.

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    Oh yeah. If you had enough travel in the lever, the front brake would have still worked anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post

    I do have to ask though, if you think they should be there, why didn't you have one the other day?
    I have taken it off both ours, and Leanne's while I used it. Just extra un sprung weight we don't need or use.
    The second line answers the first...... Why most teams don't carry it.

    In the interests of safety, I think all teams need to re-visit this mistake.
    Is it still beastiality if ya fuck a frozen chicken??

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivy View Post
    The second line answers the first...... Why most teams don't carry it.

    In the interests of safety, I think all teams need to re-visit this mistake.
    Depends how many long chair riders show up, when it's time to vote I guess. It's a lot of engineering to try and squeeze another calliper into the front of an LCR. Not to mention that the lessoned cooling would create another safety issue of it's own in moocho brake fade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivy View Post
    The second line answers the first...... Why most teams don't carry it.

    In the interests of safety, I think all teams need to re-visit this mistake.
    In light of their currently being no specification for an auxilary brake, I am in discussion with Trace regarding installing one to the rear of pinky.
    The reason for this is that the most likely cause of sudden brake failure (as opposed to gradual brake fade) on sidecars, is usually a broken mounting, or rod. With pinky, I can use the existing solid mount on the swing arm with absolutely no cutting or welding.
    A small brake is far superior to no brake at all, & the only thing worse than Scrivy & I nailing a shipping container, would have been Tracey & Jo. Pinky has a lot of history & I would be gutted if it got bent, the vacuuming & dishes would start backing up too!!
    I would suggest to anyone putting in a remit, that it should read, "front or rear wheel brake" as the front on a lot of outfits is already cluttered & could be akward to work with, it needs to be do able, so people do it.
    We need to do what we can to keep ourselves safe, because occasionally the organisers have a brain fart & leave very hard material exposed for us to hit.
    I have no issue with Cem Circiut over what happened, & I know Cudge & all the team have our best interests at heart & im sure they didnt deliberately leave things like that, it was just an oversight that im sure will be addressed next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kornholio View Post
    I hope you didn't fart too much Gordie :/
    I dont fart.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie View Post
    .... scrivy is welcome to agip bike fr north island rounds....
    What a good cunt! We have just organisd with mainfreight to cancel the ferry crossing and ship it up to my garage. I'll have a look at your front brake while its here.

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    I'm with 'Bob' on perhaps mounting it to the rear wheel. An added bonus being that it would aid in 'chucking it sideways' to scrub of speed like Scrivy tried to do, (but found his swinger had pussied out).

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    Quote Originally Posted by nodrog View Post
    I dont fart.
    Tui bilboard much?




    Quote Originally Posted by nodrog View Post
    What a good cunt! We have just organisd with mainfreight to cancel the ferry crossing and ship it up to my garage. I'll have a look at your front brake while its here.
    Hahahaha, you're just eyeing up his front end for your chair!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    I'm with 'Bob' on perhaps mounting it to the rear wheel. An added bonus being that it would aid in 'chucking it sideways' to scrub of speed like Scrivy tried to do, (but found his swinger had pussied out).
    Lets turn an old coffee table upside down & put some castors on it, we can then take turns at towing each other towards a concrete block wall at 70kmh & see who jumps off last. Kind of like playing chicken, where the loser gets to spend the rest of his life in a chair drooling from the side of his mouth.
    My wellbeing was one less factor Scrivy had to consider when crash landing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Hahahaha, you're just eyeing up his front end for your chair!
    No, I am just helping Scrivy out. It would be good for him to be on the recieving end for once (yes, cue the gay jokes).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    Lets turn an old coffee table upside down & put some castors on it, we can then take turns at towing each other towards a concrete block wall at 70kmh & see who jumps off last. Kind of like playing chicken, where the loser gets to spend the rest of his life in a chair drooling from the side of his mouth.
    Are you a bit sensitive bro, do you need a hug?

    I'd have gotten off when the 'BANG' hapened!

    Quote Originally Posted by nodrog View Post
    No, I am just helping Scrivy out. It would be good for him to be on the recieving end for once (yes, cue the gay jokes).
    Good call man. I'm sure Alan would agree that they could use our chair, but I dunno if it will be ready, and will definitely be untested.

    Are you gonna have yours finished or what?

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