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[Katman]

Keith Code probably has more blood on his hands than any other motorcyclist in history.

[neil_cb125t]

You poor deluded fool!!!!! (insert ambulance and 2 smiley's in little white coats here)

Well he does have a point - If you are more confident to go round a bend or section of road faster you will have more mental capacity to react to anything that pops out at you... you don't have to go faster, but you can be safer

[Mort]

Keith Code probably has more blood on his hands than any other motorcyclist in history.

Maybe you should do the CSS course Katman. Perhaps you might just learn something instead of thinking that you know it all - you shit stirring gobshite.

[Katman]

Don't kid yourself man - Keith Code is just making money by bringing roadracing to the masses.

[pritch]

Don't kid yourself man - Keith Code is just making money by bringing roadracing to the masses.

Golly! Such cynicism in one so young.

While track days may not have all the answers - if well run they should improve knowledge, confidence, and machine control.

Looking at the cost of some US courses in the Feb issue of Cycle World the prices here aren't too bad either.

[GrayWolf]

Well he does have a point - If you are more confident to go round a bend or section of road faster you will have more mental capacity to react to anything that pops out at you... you don't have to go faster, but you can be safer

Id agree with that 100% Neil, IF the improved riding skill is not just used to 'go faster'.. But I also believe K'man has a valid point, many WILL use it to just go quicker with little/no thought as to speed Vs line of sight etc. What I have 'noticed' frequently with sprotbike riders is a penchant for taking a tighter line round a bend than I was taught to use, and then seem to 'apex' the bend much earlier.

[Katman]

It would be an interesting exercise to compare the number of squids who have smeared themselves across the landscape while faithfully reciting passages from Twist of the Wrist, to those who have come to grief while reciting passages from the Police Rider's Handbook to Better Motorcycling.

[BoristheBiter]

It would be an interesting exercise to compare the number of squids who have smeared themselves across the landscape while faithfully reciting passages from Twist of the Wrist, to those who have come to grief while reciting passages from the Police Rider's Handbook to Better Motorcycling.

It's not the training but what you do with the training that makes a difference.

But then common sense is just another thing you lack.

[Katman]

It's not the training but what you do with the training that makes a difference.

But then common sense is just another thing you lack.

Yeah, 'cos motorcyclists are known for their dedication for putting track day training towards making them safer.

I may lack common sense but at least I'm not fucking gullible.

[GrayWolf]

It's not the training but what you do with the training that makes a difference.

But then common sense is just another thing you lack.

It would be an interesting exercise to compare the number of squids who have smeared themselves across the landscape while faithfully reciting passages from Twist of the Wrist, to those who have come to grief while reciting passages from the Police Rider's Handbook to Better Motorcycling.

Yeah, 'cos motorcyclists are known for their dedication for putting track day training towards making them safer.

I may lack common sense but at least I'm not fucking gullible.

I wonder how many people here (KB) have actually read 'motorcycle roadcraft', compared to those who read 'twist of the wrist' or similar. Also how many have undergone training from either or both camps?
Boris Roadcraft isnt just about 'technical skill'.. a very basic example of what we were taught.... In town traffic with a line of cars stationary and you decide to undertake (SLOWLY) or, in an urban business hours environment.... looking at the line of parked cars to your left, can you see an indicator going? A person sitting in a vehicle? (cold mornings the exhaust steam) which direction are the front wheels pointing? All indicators of a possible threat situation. When 'undertaking' you'd be assessing BOTH lines of traffic in case of a sudden manoeuvre. Really very common sense stuff, but how many here would even give a seconds thought to this? You may be able to stop effectively having been on a CSS course, but the roadcraft one has given you 'advanced knowledge' of the threat, so it's already avoided or compensated for.

[BoristheBiter]

I may lack common sense

Can i Quote you on that.

I wonder how many people here (KB) have actually read 'motorcycle roadcraft', compared to those who read 'twist of the wrist' or similar. Also how many have undergone training from either or both camps?
Boris Roadcraft isnt just about 'technical skill'.. a very basic example of what we were taught.... In town traffic with a line of cars stationary and you decide to undertake (SLOWLY) or, in an urban business hours environment.... looking at the line of parked cars to your left, can you see an indicator going? A person sitting in a vehicle? (cold mornings the exhaust steam) which direction are the front wheels pointing? All indicators of a possible threat situation. When 'undertaking' you'd be assessing BOTH lines of traffic in case of a sudden manoeuvre. Really very common sense stuff, but how many here would even give a seconds thought to this? You may be able to stop effectively h?ving been on a CSS course, but the roadcraft one has given you 'advanced knowledge' of the threat, so it's already avoided or compensated for.

Had to re-read that post as you haven't said anything i don't disagree with other than you have put it in a most patronising way (i'm guessing that was what you intended).

The way I see it is you are in the "anti-track day camp". no matter of discussion will make you change your stance even in the slightest.

I am of the "if it has the chance to make me a better rider/driver then I will give it a go" camp, and in fact one of my mentors is an ex-police bike rider/instructor so you could say I have read both.

Also I am not some young squid that lives for track days, yes I do enjoy them and why not? they are held by well supervised groups that put safety above anything else.
Yep I get it you don't like them and good for you but before you put down anything maybe you and the rest of the Katman wannabes should go out and try them before going postal on anyone that has a differing opinion.

[Katman]

Yep I get it you don't like them and good for you but before you put down anything maybe you and the rest of the Katman wannabes should go out and try them before going postal on anyone that has a differing opinion.

I don't have anything against trackdays. They have the ability to teach useful skills.

However, as I've always said, skills learned on the track should only ever be called upon to get yourself out of trouble.

Sadly, all too often trackdays 'skills' are used as a means to get yourself into trouble.

[GTRMAN]

I don't have anything against trackdays. They have the ability to teach useful skills.

However, as I've always said, skills learned on the track should only ever be called upon to get yourself out of trouble.

Sadly, all too often trackdays 'skills' are used as a means to get yourself into trouble.

I am currently undertaking the IAM rider training program, interestingly one of the guys doing its biggest challenge is unlearning some skills learnt during track training. If you look at track days for learning to better control your motorcycle then they are worth it. The police roadcraft book teaches a system of riding in the road environment. I think the trick is knowing what skill to apply where.

[DEATH_INC.]

I don't know about anyone else, but the road is f*cken scary after riding on the track lots. I go slower out there more than I ever have.

[DEATH_INC.]

IWhat I have 'noticed' frequently with sprotbike riders is a penchant for taking a tighter line round a bend than I was taught to use, and then seem to 'apex' the bend much earlier.

FWIW 2 of the major things CSS teaches is LATE turning in, not early. And they also teach you how to countersteer properly. These 2 things are very well regarded survival skills on the road.