Brainless Broads Babbling Bullshit!

**kiwi cowboy** · 8th January 2013, 17:45

Originally Posted by scumdog

I can't - but then it wasn't me quoted in the ODT.

I understand that but my point was that stastics can be manipulated to say what ever and papers dont always tell all ether.

**FJRider** · 8th January 2013, 17:52

Originally Posted by BigAl

I dont know, 850 quad bike accidents with 5 fatalities each year bro.

850 ... and 5 dead .. ???

Explain THESE statistics then please ... Who is the one telling porkies ... ???

http://www.osh.govt.nz/resources/sta...atistics.shtml

**BigAl** · 8th January 2013, 17:54

That's the figures quoted in the link

"Typically, five people will die and 850 will be injured each year in accidents involving quad bikes on farms, ministry figures show."

**unstuck** · 8th January 2013, 17:57

I blame OSH, they should have an officer visiting every farmer, every day, just to make sure they are following all the rules to the letter. We all know no-one can be responsible for their own actions, so we may as well blame someone.....Right.

**Headbanger** · 8th January 2013, 18:15

Originally Posted by kiwi cowboy

You talk about competence?
.

Indeed I do, and upskilling through training.

If you attended training and got nothing from it then I would suggest that either the course was below your exising level of competence, or you have a shit attitude.

One can be fixed quite easily, select a more advanced course, The other has a high probability of leading to an incident for you or someone else.

**Headbanger** · 8th January 2013, 18:17

Originally Posted by bogan

Formal training, fucksake man, they're quad bikes, not rocket ships. Falls under common sense, and maybe mechanical sympathy, but rocket science it isn't. You must be taking the piss?

Also, who told you NZ health and safety stats are so poor? The same people whose job it is to 'fix' them perhaps?

How about, instead of thinking you know everything, You go and actually learn something.

http://www.taratahi.ac.nz/

Funny enough I reckon you probably think rider training courses for road bikes are a good idea.

**bogan** · 8th January 2013, 18:28

Originally Posted by Headbanger

How about, instead of thinking you know everything, You go and actually learn something.

http://www.taratahi.ac.nz/

So, thats a no on taking the piss, and a yes to the stats coming from those with a vested interest.

Did you read the article about the four adults and one size year old on the one quad, 3 of them drunk (including the driver). Will telling those sort of idiots to go to a website teach them better habits? It still comes down to common sense, a man with a clipboard removing personal responsibility is more likely to discourage that than teach it.

Originally Posted by Headbanger

Funny enough I reckon you probably think rider training courses for road bikes are a good idea.

Sure do, but only on a voluntary basis. Have to balance the upskilling with the attitudes/responsibility. Also, it takes more skill to safely ride a roadbike than a farm quad.

**Headbanger** · 8th January 2013, 18:34

Originally Posted by bogan

So, thats a no on taking the piss, and a yes to the stats coming from those with a vested interest.

Did you read the article about the four adults and one size year old on the one quad, 3 of them drunk (including the driver). Will telling those sort of idiots to go to a website teach them better habits? It still comes down to common sense, a man with a clipboard removing personal responsibility is more likely to discourage that than teach it.

The stats are shocking. Your claims of vested interest are pathetic on every level.

The persons involved in the little girl getting hurt all deserve lengthy jail time, Including the woman who was sitting with her.

Your "insights" are quite naive, so kindly forgive me if I only give them the attention they deserve.

**Headbanger** · 8th January 2013, 18:38

Originally Posted by bogan

Sure do, but only on a voluntary basis. Have to balance the upskilling with the attitudes/responsibility. Also, it takes more skill to safely ride a roadbike than a farm quad.

Good thing then that a safe work place is a legal obligation then.

I'd consider them equal in required skill but vastly different in operation and risk , of course I can't claim to know everything.

**_Shrek_** · 8th January 2013, 18:45

Originally Posted by Headbanger

And just for the record, I hold a diploma in Health and Safety and I'm a qualified trainer and Assessor.Lmfao.

I just went to my sons graduation at the end of last year, & we listened to the speal of the tutor (trainer/assessor) about how great the course is.... showing photo's of the students & here are 12 forestry students using chain saws with out mits & quad bikes being ridden with out helmets but guess what!! both lots passed their course

so bringing new laws etc... & making people walk.... with the standard thats in place now, we need to go back to the 60's, 70's before PC & start again

**bogan** · 8th January 2013, 18:52

Originally Posted by Headbanger

The stats are shocking. Your claims of vested interest are pathetic on every level.

The persons involved in the little girl getting hurt all deserve lengthy jail time, Including the woman who was sitting with her.

Your "insights" are quite naive, so kindly forgive me if I only give them the attention they deserve.

Four or five people per year is shocking to you? That proportion to me says its likely about the individuals approach, rather than an inherent flaw in the technology or system.

On that we can agree, might go some way to changing the attitudes of other also.

the naive approach would be to think that a few hours of mandatory lessons will have any effect on the rider's attitude.

Originally Posted by Headbanger

Good thing then that a safe work place is a legal obligation then.

I'd consider them equal in required skill but vastly different in operation and risk , of course I can't claim to know everything.

To me the main difference is a quad bike the rider is virtually the sole source of any risk. Hence me naively banging on about the attitudes being the overwhelming factor.

**FJRider** · 8th January 2013, 18:53

Originally Posted by Headbanger

Funny enough I reckon you probably think rider training courses for road bikes are a good idea.

Training courses are a good idea for those that want to learn. Shit ... they're even a good idea for those that have to learn.

But after all the training ... it means diddly-squat if what had been learned .... is not (was not) put into practice.

The reasons why not ... are of little importance. But the line between "Best" practice and "usual" practice ... often gets blurred.

And the ... it won't happen to me syndrome doesn't help either