Brainless Broads Babbling Bullshit!

[Ocean1]

Really? How the fuck would you know?

Because I compared accident rates in US and Au states that had regular mechanical checks with those that don't.

You could do the same if you stopped flapping your gums for 10 minutes.

The (more) recent body rust WOF failures were driven by a fatality (up your way as it happens) where a woman on the main highway turned right across the front of a big fuckoff truck. The car was essentially pop riveted together up one side and boged over. Would the woman have died in a car with no pop rivets? Absolutely, no question. Is anyoue in the country currently alive because the local garage made them bog up some rust around the rear window? I very much doubt it. It's easy money for mechanics who wouldn't survive if they didn't have the work handed to them on a plate.

[Katman]

Good thing its all about scary anecdotal evidence then

Perhaps you'd prefer me to ignore the bald tyres, the rumbling wheel bearings, the cracked handlebars, the perished brake hoses etc. so that instead of anecdotal evidence we could have a bit more empirical evidence.

[Katman]

Because I compared accident rates in US and Au states that had regular mechanical checks with those that don't.

You wouldn't know shit from clay.

[bogan]

Perhaps you'd prefer me to ignore the bald tyres, the rumbling wheel bearings, the cracked handlebars, the perished brake hoses etc. so that instead of anecdotal evidence we could have a bit more empirical evidence.

Well, since there's no wof legislation for quads, all the empirical evidence is already around. That should be appropriately interpreted before pushing said legislation. I really don't see why this simple concept seems so hard to grasp; before making a change, ensure said change will have the desired affect without undesirable side effects. I mean, you wouldn't tighten a chain by replacing the rear sprocket with one a tooth bigger would you?

[Katman]

Well, since there's no wof legislation for quads, all the empirical evidence is already around. That should be appropriately interpreted before pushing said legislation. I really don't see why this simple concept seems so hard to grasp; before making a change, ensure said change will have the desired affect without undesirable side effects. I mean, you wouldn't tighten a chain by replacing the rear sprocket with one a tooth bigger would you?

A large percentage of New Zealand's farm bike fleet are in poor condition.

What is so 'knee-jerk' about introducing a system to improve that standard?

[bogan]

A large percentage of New Zealand's farm bike fleet are in poor condition.

What is so 'knee-jerk' about introducing a system to improve that standard?

Because the 'large percentage', and 'poor condition' and their effects are not quantified, it is purely subjective. Establish the facts then work from there, it really is a nice, simple, common sense, approach.

[Katman]

Because the 'large percentage', and 'poor condition' and their effects are not quantified, it is purely subjective. Establish the facts then work from there, it really is a nice, simple, common sense, approach.

People like you like forming committees to choose who should be on the committee to make decisions.

[bogan]

People like you like forming committees to choose who should be on the committee to make decisions.

Wondered when that straw man would show up. Wouldn't take fuck all to investigate as I said, those who do not even wish to ask the question are at the minimum lazy, but more likely incompetent and should not be involved in the decision making process in any way.

[Zedder]

I blame the friggen
"Original Warrior" for starting this thread.

Rideon mowers will be the next target .

Yep, he's probably rolling around laughing. "Winding up..."

Rideon mowers?!? Next thread topic. Absolutely bloody dangerous! How many innocent plants have been killed?

[Katman]

Wouldn't take fuck all to investigate as I said,

What's there to investigate?

I'm merely suggesting making a start.

I presume you'd prefer to sit around and talk about it forever.

[Paul in NZ]

So what? ACC is managing just fine on the revenue it takes as it is, and if you take your premise to it's natural conclusion there'd be no stairs, for example, 'cause elevators is safer. There used to be things called Safety Engineers, their role was to quantify major project risks in terms of human life. Budgets were generated and risks mitigated based on their reports. One day someone died on the job, and the papers were full of the "sickening practice of putting a price on human life". So we don't have Safety Engineers any more, what we've got is a bunch of corperate/govt speak: "There's no such thing as an accident, "Every accident is preventable", etc.

News: there is a price on human life. It's that which each individual is prepared to pay for his own. Nobody else has the right to do that, not even if they're responsible for patching people up after an accident. Think of it as the ultimate self sesponsibility. 'Cause that's exactly what it is.

Well we mostly agree except I'm not getting your point regarding the relationship between safety engineers and quad bikes? Assuming the quad passed an initial safety standard (ie the design) I can only see the terrain as a factor where engineering could make a difference. ie properly formed, inspected and maintained farm tracks etc.

Yes - there is a price on preserving a human life and the role of laws/regulations is to reduce that cost by preventing as many silly accidents as possible. I agree that there is a trend towards overkill but equally as many examples where that approach works.

[bogan]

Yep, he's probably rolling around laughing. "Winding up..."

Rideon mowers?!? Next thread topic. Absolutely bloody dangerous! How many innocent plants have been killed?

Bet Streetbike Tommy was glad his one didn't have blades...

What's there to investigate?

I'm merely suggesting making a start.

I presume you'd prefer to sit around and talk about it forever.

Oh, just the real world data, investigating that is the start. Jumping the gun and doing anything else is just a waste of resources. Sitting around talking about things forever only happens with poor management, unfortunately bubble wrap legislation seems to attract that sort of person. I guess it the easy mark for using scary anecdotal evedence to make things happen which end up having little effect, thus creating good job security.

Weren't you crapping on about CSS doing more harm than good the other week? I'm guessing you'd prefer if they got some evidence to show they were making a positive difference?

[Headbanger]

we must be twins





& after reading your posts I have come to the conclusion that you would rather sit around having tail gate meetings all day then expect to be paid

I think your avatar says it all "Ultimate keyboard Warrior" & you should go look in the mirror & have a reality check then join the real world

Thats cool,lmao.

I do what I'm paid to do, as per the direction decided upon by the management of wherever I happen to be working.

[Headbanger]

Well your track record and the realities of the situation make the subject too difficult, so what else has he got?

Often the way with the we-must-legislate it types, the realities of the situation that do not fit their model must be discounted and ignored rather than understood; the realities that do must be amplified and used to scare the public into unquestioning obedience. Just look at some of the speed kills campaign ads.

Yeah, I was advocating upskilling, As I have said all ready safety systems can't work when the work force is so ignorant and poorly skilled.

And as I have already pointed out agricultural incidents and in particular incidents on quad bikes are a large component of a poorly performing safety culture.

Your not in a position to take the high ground when your an advocate of low skills and getting killed.

[Headbanger]

Perhaps you'd prefer me to ignore the bald tyres, the rumbling wheel bearings, the cracked handlebars, the perished brake hoses etc. so that instead of anecdotal evidence we could have a bit more empirical evidence.

Its a pity the farm workers accept that standard of machinery on some farms, Some training on basic maintenance and their rights under the Health and Safety act would go a long way. I've seen some death trap machines out in the sticks, being operated by kids (and adults) with no concept of the likelihood or real would ramifications of an injury.