North Harbour Yamaha gone

[Harry up]

Yip, I bought my bike from North Harbour Yamaha, but got the first service done here where I live, I did ask the question before doing so.

Well that's good to know, I got mine from NH Yamaha too and don't really want to take it to Red Baron, had bad experience there in the past.

[Harry up]

I think people have to just get used to the fact that there actually need to be a lot less motorcycle dealers because as has been particularly evident ( with Yamahas example but not confined to them ) operating costs and razor thin margins on many products ARE UNSUSTAINABLE.
With a lot fewer dealers there would be a lot more business for each dealer, making it sustainable.
One of the biggest dealers in Christchurch had his annual premises premium rise from 15k per annum to 30k, that has to be reflected in what he charges. Too many people have no conception of what it costs just to open the doors...
When I see emotive comments about being ''arse raped'' by the dealer I think well, lets scrutinise the industries that the accusers work in...

Actually couldn't agree more, I have 20 staff so understand the economics.
Unfortunately the Internet is here to stay and most people have NO understanding of overhead recovery, so the 'arse raping' perception continues.

My point is Yamaha specific, I've shopped with Warkworth Yamaha, Motoworld Albany, Northshore Yamaha, & Waikato Yamaha - all now closed, just industry readjusting?

[Maha]

Well that's good to know, I got mine from NH Yamaha too and don't really want to take it to Red Baron, had bad experience there in the past.

Got my service done at Warkworth Motorcycles..at the time, Tim even drove me home so I didn't have to walk.
Don't get that service in the City.

[Gremlin]

Tim even drove me home so I didn't have to walk.
Don't get that service in the City.

Get that whenever required, granted, the office is <5km from Botany Honda, but there you go. Normally it's a loaner (same with Experience Motorcycles).

[Robert Taylor]

Actually couldn't agree more, I have 20 staff so understand the economics.
Unfortunately the Internet is here to stay and most people have NO understanding of overhead recovery, so the 'arse raping' perception continues.

My point is Yamaha specific, I've shopped with Warkworth Yamaha, Motoworld Albany, Northshore Yamaha, & Waikato Yamaha - all now closed, just industry readjusting?

Yes, there is a distressing big picture thing happening here that people dont take time to think of or simply dont care about. That is until the rug is completely pulled out from under our collective feet. The reality is that the more and more we collectively substitute our buying practices from NZ businesses ( for myriad reasons justified and unjustified ) and buy offshore the more people it puts out of work here and there certainly isnt an abundance of viable alternative career paths. It not only puts people out of work but it also keeps real wage rates down as the returns are just not there to pay people more. And Im talking here about all sorts of goods and services apart from our own little world of motorcycles.
So with real wage rates continuously suppressed it then encourages people further to seek lower pricing from offshore, exacerbating the whole vicious circle even further. Remember that our strong dollar against a weak $US makes this attractive at present, aided and abetted by US companies operating on very very slender margins that are only workable with huge volume turnover. Something NZ companies can only dream of when we have but 4 million people with half on welfare. Do these US companies put money back into our economy or even care about the future of our economy? I think not.....
Governments ( any Governments ) need to get real and recognise this problem for what it really is and start accruing clerance charges and gst on EVERYTHING purchased offshore, so that at least one of the very big inequities crippling NZ business is removed.

Yamaha is a fantastic product but they struggle to compete on price given there are some very aggressive competitors, that means their dealer margins are ultimately unsustainable and you can also no longer rely on accessory and parts sales to get your balance sheet into a comfort zone.

So all those grizzling about less dealers , having to travel further and being ''arse raped'' need to sit down and really really think about why this is happening.

OR APPLY TO BECOME YAMAHA DEALERS ( OR ANY OTHER FRANCHISED DEALERS ) AND BE IN FOR A RUDE AWAKENING. AFTER ALL SO MANY ON HERE HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS...............

[Edbear]

Got my service done at Warkworth Motorcycles..at the time, Tim even drove me home so I didn't have to walk.
Don't get that service in the City.

You got a real steep street to get up to your place!

Yes, there is a distressing big picture thing happening here that people dont take time to think of or simply dont care about. That is until the rug is completely pulled out from under our collective feet. The reality is that the more and more we collectively substitute our buying practices from NZ businesses ( for myriad reasons justified and unjustified ) and buy offshore the more people it puts out of work here and there certainly isnt an abundance of viable alternative career paths. It not only puts people out of work but it also keeps real wage rates down as the returns are just not there to pay people more. And Im talking here about all sorts of goods and services apart from our own little world of motorcycles.
So with real wage rates continuously suppressed it then encourages people further to seek lower pricing from offshore, exacerbating the whole vicious circle even further. Remember that our strong dollar against a weak $US makes this attractive at present, aided and abetted by US companies operating on very very slender margins that are only workable with huge volume turnover. Something NZ companies can only dream of when we have but 4 million people with half on welfare. Do these US companies put money back into our economy or even care about the future of our economy? I think not.....
Governments ( any Governments ) need to get real and recognise this problem for what it really is and start accruing clerance charges and gst on EVERYTHING purchased offshore, so that at least one of the very big inequities crippling NZ business is removed.

Yamaha is a fantastic product but they struggle to compete on price given there are some very aggressive competitors, that means their dealer margins are ultimately unsustainable and you can also no longer rely on accessory and parts sales to get your balance sheet into a comfort zone.

So all those grizzling about less dealers , having to travel further and being ''arse raped'' need to sit down and really really think about why this is happening.

OR APPLY TO BECOME YAMAHA DEALERS ( OR ANY OTHER FRANCHISED DEALERS ) AND BE IN FOR A RUDE AWAKENING. AFTER ALL SO MANY ON HERE HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS...............

Ask Tony Rees why he switched to Honda.

[Maha]

You got a real steep street to get up to your place!

Ok walking down, but on a hot day, its a killer walking up..ex owner Tim was good sort, never got to buy a bike from him though, Kawasaki/Suzuki dealer ya see
In saying that, who knows what my next choice of bike will be?...wouldn't mind going back to three cylinders.

[Edbear]

Ok walking down, but on a hot day, its a killer walking up..ex owner Tim was good sort, never got to buy a bike from him though, Kawasaki/Suzuki dealer ya see
In saying that, who knows what my next choice of bike will be?...wouldn't mind going back to three cylinders.

Hmm... Now which bikes have three cylinders..?

http://www.triumph.co.uk/streettripl...asp?lang=en-GB

[LankyBastard]

In saying that, who knows what my next choice of bike will be?...wouldn't mind going back to three cylinders.

Benelli TRE for you then is it?

[Maha]

Yes Ed, but get rid of those fugly lamps and Moi will be most pleased...The Tiger is on the list I will admit.

Benelli TRE?...not really Ash...they look great in black and could possibly very similar to the 1050, and Anne would like it if I went a decent 2up tourer way, but, dunno.

[Zedder]

Yes, there is a distressing big picture thing happening here that people dont take time to think of or simply dont care about. That is until the rug is completely pulled out from under our collective feet. The reality is that the more and more we collectively substitute our buying practices from NZ businesses ( for myriad reasons justified and unjustified ) and buy offshore the more people it puts out of work here and there certainly isnt an abundance of viable alternative career paths. It not only puts people out of work but it also keeps real wage rates down as the returns are just not there to pay people more. And Im talking here about all sorts of goods and services apart from our own little world of motorcycles.
So with real wage rates continuously suppressed it then encourages people further to seek lower pricing from offshore, exacerbating the whole vicious circle even further. Remember that our strong dollar against a weak $US makes this attractive at present, aided and abetted by US companies operating on very very slender margins that are only workable with huge volume turnover. Something NZ companies can only dream of when we have but 4 million people with half on welfare. Do these US companies put money back into our economy or even care about the future of our economy? I think not.....
Governments ( any Governments ) need to get real and recognise this problem for what it really is and start accruing clerance charges and gst on EVERYTHING purchased offshore, so that at least one of the very big inequities crippling NZ business is removed.

Yamaha is a fantastic product but they struggle to compete on price given there are some very aggressive competitors, that means their dealer margins are ultimately unsustainable and you can also no longer rely on accessory and parts sales to get your balance sheet into a comfort zone.

So all those grizzling about less dealers , having to travel further and being ''arse raped'' need to sit down and really really think about why this is happening.

OR APPLY TO BECOME YAMAHA DEALERS ( OR ANY OTHER FRANCHISED DEALERS ) AND BE IN FOR A RUDE AWAKENING. AFTER ALL SO MANY ON HERE HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS...............

It all sounds like normal business in todays world to me ie: Boom and bust cycles, competition causing restructuring, new techology becoming available, global markets etc.

Things have been chaging for many years and it's not just the buying of goods on the internet that has "caused problems".

Incidently for every 1 job lost, 2.6 are created by the Internet.

[bluninja]

So all those grizzling about less dealers , having to travel further and being ''arse raped'' need to sit down and really really think about why this is happening.

I don't think I'd want to sit down after being arse raped

[nerrrd]

Incidently for every 1 job lost, 2.6 are created by the Internet.

Trouble is (for NZ, anyway) those jobs are more likely to be in India or the Philippines (for example) than here.

Or that's my anecdotal experience, anyway, and good luck to them, maybe it's their turn?

[Edbear]

If the pommy bikes were any good they would have done better against the jappers.

Like the new Triumph now, you mean?

[Zedder]

Trouble is (for NZ, anyway) those jobs are more likely to be in India or the Philippines (for example) than here.

Or that's my anecdotal experience, anyway, and good luck to them, maybe it's their turn?

If you're talking about call centres then there's more to it than that, but maybe it is their turn. Boom and bust, emerging economies etc.

One of the biggest markets for Jap manufacturers though is the emerging economies. Perhaps we just don't fit into their plans.