ACC training providers announced

[nzspokes]

Well, thank you.

Now I know Trish has an issue with all the traveling time required to get to Taupo, but something to consider is look at the bigger picture.
One reason that Puke is so hard to get is that V8Supercar has invested a whole lot of money into revamping the place, and it is a little hard to get a training course in there at the moment.

In the future, it will be much easier I am sure.

I know there is a lot of realestate above Auckland too..... Just like there is a lot below Timaru for Dan Ornsby.
Bare with us, it is hoped to get these issues sorted in the near future.
It is a matter of getting the whole sausage machine started and self sustained.

By the way every course ProRider do I have to travel at least 3 hours.

So you want a new rider on a ginny or a returning rider on an overpowered bike for there skill to ride down country for 4 hours?

Mate ya dreaming.

[bosslady]

The north shore would near enough have the highest concentration per capita of people on small - medium sized m/c, and for someone really new to ride over the auckland harbour bridge will be quite enough to make them change their trousers. PDQ!!!!
So, if someone who has only ridden a few months, wants to do a safe rider course, they need to get themselves to either hampton downs, Waikato or Taupo motorsport park, which according to my google map is, from the north shore, 1 hour to Hampton downs (across the bridge, and on the motorway) IN EACH DIRECTION and to Taupo is 3 and a half hours in EACH direction.
I can't think of any novice rider, who could manage that!!!
If they were coming from Whangerei, then 2 hours, 45 minutes to Hampton Downs,each way, and over FIVE HOURS in each direction to Taupo Motorsport Park.

And then you say that not enough people are taking up the offer of "training" on a track.
Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Hmmm who can't ride over the harbour bridge and all the way to Hampton downs after a few months riding? riding to Hampton downs from the shore is totally achievable for a novice imo.

[nzspokes]

Hmmm who can't ride over the harbour bridge and all the way to Hampton downs after a few months riding? riding to Hampton downs from the shore is totally achievable for a novice imo.

They are run at Taupo. Bit further down the road.

[bosslady]

They are run at Taupo. Bit further down the road.

she mentioned the bridge and also Hampton downs. Bridge not a biggy nor is Hampton downs if you've been riding a few months. Anyway there would be nothing stopping someone from riding down the night before, stay at a backpackers, ride to course in morning, back packers again at night then ride back in the morning. Tiring, but achievable with a few stops there and back to rest and 're fuel. Totally inconvenient but an adventure eh!

Oh and I know were taupo is, lol going down next week

[nzspokes]

she mentioned the bridge and also Hampton downs. Bridge not a biggy nor is Hampton downs if you've been riding a few months. Anyway there would be nothing stopping someone from riding down the night before, stay at a backpackers, ride to course in morning, back packers again at night then ride back in the morning. Tiring, but achievable with a few stops there and back to rest and 're fuel. Totally inconvenient but an adventure eh!

Oh and I know were taupo is, lol going down next week

It used to be done in Auckland. And it ran well. I learnt alot from the 2 courses I did from 2 different providers.

[Tricia1000]

When riders are still in the early stages of riding, some take longer than others to achieve the same level. Some are naturals, and nothing fazes them. Others take quite some time, and for quite a lot of people that I know, they wouldn't contemplate crossing the bridge, without someone to be with them.

As regards staying two nights in a back packers, again, that may not work due to time/family constraints and / or financial constraints. So a "subsidised" course would then end up costing a couple of hundred dollars...
And if they are going to spend that sort of money, they would probably prefer to do a course closer to home.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Hmmm who can't ride over the harbour bridge and all the way to Hampton downs after a few months riding? riding to Hampton downs from the shore is totally achievable for a novice imo.

[bosslady]

When riders are still in the early stages of riding, some take longer than others to achieve the same level. Some are naturals, and nothing fazes them. Others take quite some time, and for quite a lot of people that I know, they wouldn't contemplate crossing the bridge, without someone to be with them.

As regards staying two nights in a back packers, again, that may not work due to time/family constraints and / or financial constraints. So a "subsidised" course would then end up costing a couple of hundred dollars...
And if they are going to spend that sort of money, they would probably prefer to do a course closer to home.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Fair enough re: your 2nd paragraph (sorry too hard to copy and paste on my tablet!)

And I dunno re: the bridge. I think I did that after a week, so cant imagine not doing it for months! but I'm in no way a natural and a lot fazes me so.. I don't get it I guess.

[Tricia1000]

Yep, I agree with that.... You are dreaming.......Perhaps you have most contact with people riding in the "sterile" environment of the track, but put novice people on the road, and it is a different story all together,..

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

So you want a new rider on a ginny or a returning rider on an overpowered bike for there skill to ride down country for 4 hours?

Mate ya dreaming.

[quickbuck]

So you want a new rider on a ginny or a returning rider on an overpowered bike for there skill to ride down country for 4 hours?

Mate ya dreaming.

Really?
Last course we run at Taupo we had a guy on his 6L turn up from Wellington via the Forgotten Highway.
He went home some bizzar trek too... he was on a Hyosong GT250r.
I see your point though, But what did people do BEFORE advanced rider training courses were offered?
Many students actually trailer their bikes to courses if they are not so confident yet.

All that said, heck give us a chance!!!!
ProRider have only just got the rights to provide ACC funded courses in the area, it is still early days. I am sure Karel and the Admin team are working on other areas in the catchment to hoast courses.

[Movistar]

Problem is, ACC had already earmarked these providers before any other tenders were considered, and little consultation was given to the delivery structure. Go to http://www.rideforever.co.nz/training/ and book yourself in - see what kind of response you get (apart from an automated one), if any.

ACC really have no idea what is going on in the real world. Why not consult some actual motorcyclists to see what training would be relevant and how it should be delivered?

And what has happened with MOTONZ? Gareth Morgan is no longer chair (too busy hunting cats) and lets face it, this whole concept was put in place to dull the uproar of increased registration fees to an audible murmour. $30 from our registration goes to them (Motorcycle Safety Levy) to administer safety on our behalf - is this really still happening? Personally, I've had one update from them in the last few months regarding projects that are being undertaken, but once again, are they consulting the people that actually are paying for their existance?

[Tricia1000]

All relevant points and questions.

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA

Problem is, ACC had already earmarked these providers before any other tenders were considered, and little consultation was given to the delivery structure. Go to http://www.rideforever.co.nz/training/ and book yourself in - see what kind of response you get (apart from an automated one), if any.

ACC really have no idea what is going on in the real world. Why not consult some actual motorcyclists to see what training would be relevant and how it should be delivered?

And what has happened with MOTONZ? Gareth Morgan is no longer chair (too busy hunting cats) and lets face it, this whole concept was put in place to dull the uproar of increased registration fees to an audible murmour. $30 from our registration goes to them (Motorcycle Safety Levy) to administer safety on our behalf - is this really still happening? Personally, I've had one update from them in the last few months regarding projects that are being undertaken, but once again, are they consulting the people that actually are paying for their existance?

[Tricia1000]

Actually, the appropriate groups were notified back at the beginning of November, some almost 4 months ago. And still there doesn't seem to many courses available.

I will be interested in the 1st experienced rider course that will be held in Auckland.

As regards what bosslady said, and I quote:
"she mentioned the bridge and also Hampton downs. Bridge not a biggy nor is Hampton downs if you've been riding a few months. Anyway there would be nothing stopping someone from riding down the night before, stay at a backpackers, ride to course in morning, back packers again at night then ride back in the morning. Tiring, but achievable with a few stops there and back to rest and 're fuel. Totally inconvenient but an adventure eh!"

The whole idea of having subsidised training available, is so that it can be accessed by the majority of riders, at local areas, for very little money.
To stay over two nights, and to spend anywhere up to 6,7 or 8 hours riding in each way, isn't affordable to the normal joe bloggs on the street (or bike), plus the 3 days taken to get there and back.
Between the money spent on accommodation, and the fuel, and time, it would be cheaper to pay full price for a local course.

Plus, 80% of the course must be done ON ROAD!! That doesn't mean on a track!!

Tricia1000
RoADA (Dip)
Consultant to NZTA


QUOTEAll that said, heck give us a chance!!!!
ProRider have only just got the rights to provide ACC funded courses in the area, it is still early days. I am sure Karel and the Admin team are working on other areas in the catchment to hoast courses.[/QUOTE]

[bosslady]

Why do you keep re-quoting what I say all the time... kinda wierd. I say what I mean and I mean what I say...

[Movistar]

And what about 'Safer Journeys'? Have you taken the time to read what is in that (vastly overwritten document that must have cost the taxpayer an exorbitant amount of money to produce) about motorcycle rider training?

I can tell you the answer now. Nothing. Well, nothing of any significance. Apart from a tougher basic handling skills test, a competency based training and assessment course for newbie’s (which we are yet to see), and some awareness campaigns. LAMS is about the only thing I am aware of that has kicked in; but this doesn't actually teach you anything! Surely this is not rocket science?

At the bottom of the section on training there is a small caption that reads "Many local councils are providing motorcycle skills training and some have developed regional motorcycle strategies that focus on the motorcyclist and their skills."

Most of these are (were) running quite efficiently, were easily accessible, provided more than adequate tuition and relatively cheap to attend. All ACC had to do was to introduce some standard training by consulting previous attendees and the instructors, to come up with a standardised training delivery model that could be upgraded and cater for different abilities of rider. How much do you think that would of cost? Sod all.

But instead, they came up with a living document called Safer Journeys, which certainly has some value, but in reality is a whole bunch of could be's and should be's - no specifics at all. Why? Because nobody has actually taken the time to ask.

Soon, if we are following in Victoria's footsteps, which inevitably we are, we will all have to wear hi-vis vests or risk prosecution.
Funnily enough, MOTONZ is conducting some research into this, and a hi-vis vest may not be the most effective form of visibility. Get ready for Day Running Lights on your helmets people! (Not as silly as it sounds, though).

[FJRider]

ACC really have no idea what is going on in the real world. Why not consult some actual motorcyclists to see what training would be relevant and how it should be delivered?

You mean they have no idea what motorcycle injuries are being sustained in accidents. Or how they happened ... ??? AND ... no records (as opposed to statistics) to prove it ...

Or is it that "Actual motorcyclists" are not having accidents ... (the wannabe motorcyclists maybe)

Perhaps ... it is YOU that joined the "Real World" ... and saw how motorcyclists are injuring themselves ...

It is the motorcycle injuries that caused the ACC levy increase ... not the death rate.