LAMS - worse than Novopay?

[cxy]

Just how have I 'ignored their instructions"?



Fair enough. I agree LAMS is a better idea than a simple cc cut-off.
But I fail to see why an ER500 and an EN500 and a KLE500 are on the list, but the EX500 is not. They all have the same engine.

ER,EN,KLE all have detuned versions of the ex500 for which Kawasaki have claimed up to 64 bhp
So no mystery

[GrayWolf]

Just how have I 'ignored their instructions"?



Fair enough. I agree LAMS is a better idea than a simple cc cut-off.
But I fail to see why an ER500 and an EN500 and a KLE500 are on the list, but the EX500 is not. They all have the same engine.

That may be true, but the old Gpz500 from the early 80's has the same engine, also in the 500cc cruiser, but the Gpz had a much higher output, so just because its the 'same engine' wont necessarily mean its identical output?

[Ender EnZed]

But I fail to see why an ER500 and an EN500 and a KLE500 are on the list, but the EX500 is not. They all have the same engine.

Because it's not the same engine. It makes more power.

60hp and 179kg dry makes 168kW/T. Quite clearly over the limit.

[MSTRS:Me]

Clearly it depends on the source of the 'specs'. And has everyone included the 90 kg allowed for the rider?

I think Koba is 'on the money'

[Ender EnZed]

Clearly it depends on the source of the 'specs'. And has everyone included the 90 kg allowed for the rider?

I think Koba is 'on the money'

Well, yes. But even your Wiki link had 59hp. You don't have to look very far to find reviews and "specs" that show the ER5 and such as significantly slower than the GPZ500.

I've owned a GPZ500 and while I agree that it'd be a reasonable bike to learn on it's certainly got a bit of top end. They're much faster than GS500 (or anyway 4t 250) anyway.

[Berries]

While TPTB might have been happy to include the EX500 based on the original request they received I imagine that this thread has now cast enough doubt on the power output that they won't.

Woops.

[Eddieb]

Because it's not the same engine. It makes more power.

60hp and 179kg dry makes 168kW/T. Quite clearly over the limit.

Is that including the 90kg LAMS allows for the rider?

[Monkfish]

There were really 2 options for the NZTA for this one;

a. Create a list of every motorcycle under 660cc ever made, and then check the specifications of each bike one by one, and eventually after several years publish a complete list which would be correct until next years bike models are announced.

b. Take a reasonable stab at making an initial list of bikes which are acceptable, and then have people apply to add others on a case by case basis, while having a wider range of bikes available immediately.

If I was paying the wages at the NZTA, I know which I'd go for.

This is the whole problem and solution sewn up in one.
It makes sence to have the public find all those cool, obscure bikes that fit the criteria.

So back to the OP..... LAMS is waaaaaayyy better than novopay. Good system, should have been brought in eariler. IMHO

[red mermaid]

Yeah but some people will never miss the opportunity for a spectacular thread title and a meaningless and pathetic attempt to make something of their supposed fight with beauracracy.

This is the whole problem and solution sewn up in one.
It makes sence to have the public find all those cool, obscure bikes that fit the criteria.

So back to the OP..... LAMS is waaaaaayyy better than novopay. Good system, should have been brought in eariler. IMHO

[Dragon]

The yamaha FZR400 is on the lams list

Surprised as I worked it out at 178kw per ton

Am now considering buying one haha

[Glowerss]

The yamaha FZR400 is on the lams list

Surprised as I worked it out at 178kw per ton

Am now considering buying one haha

Do you enjoy fixing your bike more then riding it? Better off with one of these http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/moto...-560343108.htm

[ducatilover]

The yamaha FZR400 is on the lams list

Surprised as I worked it out at 178kw per ton

Am now considering buying one haha

Get a 3TJ and put an FZR600 lump in it, not hugely hard, and fuck they're a quick wee bugger after it

MSTRS, is this the model ER5 you own http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/mod...aki_er5 00.htm
Missread sorry, it's an EX, they were the good one. Sadly they're around the 60hp mark

[MSTRS:Me]

Is that including the 90kg LAMS allows for the rider?

I also forgot about fluids. Probably adds about 30kg to the dry weight, if radiator, crankcase and fuel tank are all topped off.

For those that think I'm having a fight with tptb...where the hell do you get that idea? I put a question to them, they engaged in dialogue so to speak and I responded with the pertinent info in and on the form they want.
I started this thread to raise awareness of the incomplete list that is LAMS and how to go about putting up bike models for LAMS consideration, but also as a slight tongue in cheek suggestion that the little person has no chance with big brother.
So RM - you might as well crawl back under your rock, you loathsome little reptile.

[Pickle]

Check out the Australian market where LAMs approved bikes have been out for quite a few years , NSW RTA website has a list of bikes that are approved here - quite a comprehensive list

[MSTRS:Me]

Looks like it won't happen...

Thank you for your application to have the Kawasaki EX 500D2 add to the approved LAMS list.

As part of the approval process for the LAMS bike I have verified the power and weight figures with Kawasaki NZ (the original importer of this bike) and they confirm that that this model has 44kw and a dry weight of 176kg, giving us a power to weight ration of 165kw per tonne.

Even if we were to add 13kg for the 18 litres of fuel that would still give us a power to weight ratio of 157kw per tonne.

Based on these figures the Kawasaki EX 500 is not LAMS compliant.

The other bikes you mentioned in your e-mail the EN500, ER500, EX650 and KL650 have all been confirmed by Kawasaki to be compliant, whilst the GPZ550 was carried over from the Australian list and has been verified by Australian authorities.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. But still....fuck it.