eBay rocks

[bogan]

Again, I don't see them bitching or moaning. I see them closing uo shop, permanently.



Great, when do you open your retail outlet? Otherwise that's pretty irrelevant I would have thought.

I still see plenty of shops, so I'm not at all concerned about a few permanently closing tbh. With the often mentioned overheads costs, halving the number of shops might well benefit the whole industry; may be a unpalatable reality, but its a reality none-the-less.

What I was getting at, is that other local places are competitive globally, so maybe its not all the customers fault that the bike shops are closing.

[Madness]

I still see plenty of shops, so I'm not at all concerned about a few permanently closing tbh. With the often mentioned overheads costs, halving the number of shops might well benefit the whole industry; may be a unpalatable reality, but its a reality none-the-less.

What I was getting at, is that other local places are competitive globally, so maybe its not all the customers fault that the bike shops are closing.

It's important to compare apples with apples. Hey, I hope you're right but it would be a bit of a shitter if you're not, eh?

[zeocen]

Madness is mad.

[ducatilover]

That sort of defeatist attitude is the problem in a nutshell. I'm not trying to win anyone over, convert them or even make them like me, couldn't care less. I give a shit about this country and it's people, who are only going to prosper if we support each other in the modern global world.

Fuck it, let's all follow the advice of our resident American expert. Fuck the local retailers completely, nothing but a bunch of cunts.

Where does that leave us? At the mercy of the Yanks, that's where.

I'm very open to hear how we can work towards fixing the problem, I'm no economics or business expert (I'm a rally mech who polishes shit for goodness sake)
There are certainly (from a quick glance) issues on both the shop and buyer side of things

[speeding_ant]

When something that doesn't require human sales intervention costs more than 50% online than it does locally, the first thing I wonder is whose pocket I'm lining so they can buy their xth house. The second thought I can't repeat without offending someone.

Then I purchase the substantially cheaper option online. Being smart with money isn't something to be ashamed about, being greedy is.

[Madness]

Madness is mad.

Far from it actually. I think I'm just getting old, once upon a time people took pride in their country and believed in supporting their neighbours.

Too many thick cunts don't read a thread in it's entirety to get context. I am not suggesting people spend money they don't have or go without, just suggesting it's time we all took a moment to think a little broader than just our own back pocket when we're sending NZD offshore.

My job's safe, how about yours & those of your friends & families? Wasiler clearly doesn't give a fuck if we all end up unemployed. He'll just fuck off home again to the "Home of the Brave, Land of the Mass-Shooting".

[Digitdion]

That sort of defeatist attitude is the problem in a nutshell. I'm not trying to win anyone over, convert them or even make them like me, couldn't care less. I give a shit about this country and it's people, who are only going to prosper if we support each other in the modern global world.

Fuck it, let's all follow the advice of our resident American expert. Fuck the local retailers completely, nothing but a bunch of cunts.

Where does that leave us? At the mercy of the Yanks, that's where.

In reality the modern global world is ruled by money and accountants. Most working class people work hard to make a living and enjoy there life how they chose. They do not have the luxury of buying goods for crazy prices. If they want those goods they will find a way to do it within there price range. Humans are cunning beasts!

The modern global world is exactly that. Global!

By swearing and cursing at other forum members you will not achieve your goal. Hone Harawira is a classic example of this. Always making a big song and dance about things, slagging people off, never far from controversy. And what has he actually achieved for the people he says he represents?

[Madness]

By swearing and cursing at other forum members you will not achieve your goal. Hone Harawira is a classic example of this. Always making a big song and dance about things, slagging people off, never far from controversy. And what has he actually achieved for the people he says he represents?

You're not much better yourself! Where's the evidence of me being a hypocrite that I've asked for three times now? You've got nothing at all, just a narrow-minded point of view that says "I'm alright, Jack". Cough up with some evidence of my hypocrisy or apologise, Twat.

I represent nobody but myself, by the way.

Fucks sake.

[speeding_ant]

I'm very open to hear how we can work towards fixing the problem, I'm no economics or business expert (I'm a rally mech who polishes shit for goodness sake)
There are certainly (from a quick glance) issues on both the shop and buyer side of things

Problem is (if it's a problem at all), it's a buyers market. They're the ones with the (apparent) wads of cash to spend. It's the sellers job to figure out how to get that money.

My local bike store seems to be able to hire staff, give helpful advice, and are always busy (especially in service). They sell me lots of things, but even if I had buckets of cash to spend I wouldn't buy from a bike store that didn't suit my needs. Some other bike stores haven't been able to keep afloat - I'm not so sure that's a problem with the consumers.

[Madness]

I'm very open to hear how we can work towards fixing the problem, I'm no economics or business expert (I'm a rally mech who polishes shit for goodness sake)
There are certainly (from a quick glance) issues on both the shop and buyer side of things

Do you think if local retailers were turning over more product that there's a chance they'd be able to reduce costs?
Do you think if the costs were reduced and there was still competition, both locally & overseas that prices could come down?
Do you think that the problem could be partly a mindset of consumers and that small changes could collectively make a significant difference?

I do.

[Digitdion]

I agree with you. Send your hard-earned dollars wherever you want. Just don't come back crying when this country ends up completely fucked.

I'm still waiting for the link that proves me to be a hypocrite. Or are you full of shit as well?

I think you will find that it's people like me who contribute to many local businesses. But when it comes to the prices for a lot of bike related stuff in NZ. Well, with my income I have no choice but to buy stuff from overseas. The upside of that is I am supporting the locals courier companies who now do really well because of the Internet.

And I still believe you are a hypocrite.

[bogan]

It's important to compare apples with apples. Hey, I hope you're right but it would be a bit of a shitter if you're not, eh?

It is, but its also important to look into the differences, because the customers are the same. Tbh, I don't think it would be a shitter if I'm wrong either, what's actually going to change for the customers? Bigger picture, the economy might take a knock, or might not depending on what other work is around.

[Madness]

And I still believe you are a hypocrite.

And you, sir, are a fuckwit who cannot substantiate a claim yet doesn't have the backbone to admit being wrong, let alone apologise.

[SMOKEU]

That sort of defeatist attitude is the problem in a nutshell. I'm not trying to win anyone over, convert them or even make them like me, couldn't care less. I give a shit about this country and it's people, who are only going to prosper if we support each other in the modern global world.

Fuck it, let's all follow the advice of our resident American expert. Fuck the local retailers completely, nothing but a bunch of cunts.

Where does that leave us? At the mercy of the Yanks, that's where.

Those are some very valid points. But, something is seriously wrong if dealers need to charge $100 an hour labour and then charge like a wounded bull for small servicing parts that can be bought for 1/4 of the price overseas, just in order to avoid going bankrupt. The guys working at these places aren't rich either. That's a much bigger issue I really don't have an answer for.

Suzuki wanted to charge me $223 for a part. I bought it new overseas for US$20 including shipping. Fuck paying about 10X more, with the money I saved on that alone I can almost buy a front tyre.

[Digitdion]

You're not much better yourself! Where's the evidence of me being a hypocrite that I've asked for three times now? You've got nothing at all, just a narrow-minded point of view that says "I'm alright, Jack". Cough up with some evidence of my hypocrisy or apologise, Twat.

I represent nobody but myself, by the way.

Fucks sake.

Three times now! Got a link to that! Ha Ha