UK - Slave work schemes

[jonbuoy]

Yup, my take on benefits too!

For a while there I thought it was just me!

[jonbuoy]

OK......

[mashman]

OK......

Glad we finally agree on something.

The dole is much more than a safety net for the person on the dole. It's a safety net for society. Not for individuals who become employed, but to stop unemployed individuals going that extra mile to top up their "income". You shut them off and it could be your mother that's been beaten to death while some guy who's trying to feed his family walks away with a few hundred quids worth of stuff. I understand your point entirely as I once upon a time thought pretty much the same thing. I know what these guys do to top up their "income" and when push comes to shove they will take and bury whoever stands in their way. Even if you could jail them all you're going to be paying far more than the dole on housing/clothing the person. The simple fact is that 2.5 million do not go into 500,000 jobs without there being 2 million left who will be unemployed.

Would you rather employ those who don't want to work or those who do?

[Brian d marge]

Pensions would take a huge chunk - unless you execute everyone at retirement age how can they not?? Everyone is going to retire and stop working someday. Hopefully those people have already contributed to the retirement fund over their working lives. Problem is now we are living longer than we have planned for in the past. Modern obesity should even things up in a few years when it catches up.

Some on hasn't a clue,,,,
The largest chunk is the pension, and the money u think they save , for the pension, is gone
Why do u think they are pissing themselves , in 1993 , they knew that there wouldn't be enough in the kitty to pay for the oldies
Suck it up and ,live the american dream

Stephen

[jonbuoy]

Some on hasn't a clue,,,,
The largest chunk is the pension, and the money u think they save , for the pension, is gone
Why do u think they are pissing themselves , in 1993 , they knew that there wouldn't be enough in the kitty to pay for the oldies
Suck it up and ,live the american dream

Stephen

Someone needs to read the whole thread which is about job seekers allowance. Most pensioners have paid into the pot, the pot was badly managed and no one factored longer life expectancies. Private pension schemes are also screwed but that's another topic.

[jonbuoy]

Glad we finally agree on something.

The dole is much more than a safety net for the person on the dole. It's a safety net for society. Not for individuals who become employed, but to stop unemployed individuals going that extra mile to top up their "income". You shut them off and it could be your mother that's been beaten to death while some guy who's trying to feed his family walks away with a few hundred quids worth of stuff. I understand your point entirely as I once upon a time thought pretty much the same thing. I know what these guys do to top up their "income" and when push comes to shove they will take and bury whoever stands in their way. Even if you could jail them all you're going to be paying far more than the dole on housing/clothing the person. The simple fact is that 2.5 million do not go into 500,000 jobs without there being 2 million left who will be unemployed.

Would you rather employ those who don't want to work or those who do?

That's quite possibly true, as disturbing as it is to feel like there is a huge protection racket going on. You pay us the dole an we won't riot or mug you on the streets.

[Brian d marge]

Someone needs to read the whole thread which is about job seekers allowance. Most pensioners have paid into the pot, the pot was badly managed and no one factored longer life expectancies. Private pension schemes are also screwed but that's another topic.

, yes they paid , but its been spent , hence the worry

what u assume is that the government, aka world bank play by your rules , sorry they dont and havent been since august 1971

and Im sorry but its not the unemployed that the problem

Stephen

[mashman]

That's quite possibly true, as disturbing as it is to feel like there is a huge protection racket going on. You pay us the dole an we won't riot or mug you on the streets.

I've never looked at it as huge protection racket, but yeah, whilst a safety mechanism at best, it could well be considered a protection racket... probably backed up by the Unions .

The protection racket likely works on a level or two as it keeps the powerful rich and powerful... else they might have to work for a living and would be constantly looking over their shoulder coz there'd always be someone lookin to take their place. Pretty hard to do with someone's bank account, a police force and an army protecting them . They know who they are .

In regards to pensions, have at it here, why not as it's all linked. If there were no pensions you'd probably have OAP's running the protection rackets. I saw a programme, may have been the money programme, newsnight, horizon or any number of what once where (even if I didn't appreciate it at the time) honest in-depth current affairs programmes, when I was 18ish (late 80's). There were a couple of economists that were interviewed and were discussing the future of the pension. There was enough info for me to decide that I was never going to save for my old age as pensions would eventually be worth next to nothing as they're not really protected pots of money. My late step dad used to work the trains and the company that had taken them over had borrowed from the pension scheme ($2 billion from hazy memory) to fund their activities. I'm sure they thought they would be able to claw it back, but they didn't/couldn't. Pushing the pension back a couple of years won't make that much of a difference. Sure it will make a difference, but with constant inflation and cost of living prices saving 1/4 of my salary for my old age just isn't viable. especially when I'm not actually paying for my pension, but for the pensions of others... I object to paying huge amounts of money for someone who has been earning an overly inflated salary through their working career (hypocritical cunt eh)

It's a fucked system as it can't pay for itself without borrowing as there are too many of us that simply can't afford to put in as much as is needed to cover the unemployed and aged. The UK are trying to index link pensions for the limiting of medical care they are allowed to receive (75k I think they're proposing). The US health system by stealth. It's FUBAR. Sorry you've already reached your limit, you're going to have to tap into you savings/your future pension/borrow from the bank to pay for your next round of treatment. If that's how the future is going to be, likely, then the logical progression will be that in another 30 years time (ass hat figure), that figure will come down to 55k (and 55k won't buy diddly, maybe a pain killer and a plaster cast) and you'll be allowed to retire at 75 (yet another asshat figure). System el fuckoed and in ways I hope I get to see it... coz that protection racket you spoke about will vanish and all hell will break loose. But that's just one view .

[Road kill]

Welcome to the real world of no free lunches. You can thank professional dole bludgers for milking the system for generations. Try living in the real world where everything you need to have to pay for yourself with no government blanket to wrap yourself in. UK has one of the best benefit systems in the world, it's being used and abused to a point that's crippling the country.

Yet they still have "Royalty",,,Pakastanis,Arabs,Nigerians,,and the odd Pom that couldn't afford to immigrate to NZ.

And it's all the fault of the under class that were born under the UK system to stay exactly where they are.

Your real world ?

[Ocean1]

, yes they paid , but its been spent

That's true. Whats more the ongoing protection racket has prevented us from simply working twice as hard to make up for it. Which is why I don't lose too many sleepless nights over the measures taken to prevent them thieving my funds for a third time.

Wish I could start again, they'd have got fuck all from me right from the get go. Arseholes.

[jonbuoy]

Yet they still have "Royalty",,,Pakastanis,Arabs,Nigerians,,and the odd Pom that couldn't afford to immigrate to NZ.

And it's all the fault of the under class that were born under the UK system to stay exactly where they are.

Your real world ?

Sorry you might have to expand on that, are you saying people on full time benefits were denied schooling? Why is it so many pakistani/indian immigrants manage to be successful and get good jobs or run small businesses?

[mashman]

That's true. Whats more the ongoing protection racket has prevented us from simply working twice as hard to make up for it.

You do realise that they could print more money at anytime meaning that you wouldn't have to work harder. So it ain't thems at the bottom who are making it hard for you, it's thems at the top.

[jonbuoy]

You do realise that they could print more money at anytime meaning that you wouldn't have to work harder. So it ain't thems at the bottom who are making it hard for you, it's thems at the top.

That didn't work out well in Germany.....

[mashman]

That didn't work out well in Germany.....

It hasn't worked out in many country's... but it has worked well around the globe for millenia. Do you think we just find stashes of $1 billion bundles just lying around? Someone prints it because they decide that it is ok to be printed. Are the major producers of money audited by anyone? No they're not. Why don't they print more money then as no one will ever know?

[Brian d marge]

That didn't work out well in Germany.....

special reasons why it didnt work,

Stephen