ACC bleating again

[_Shrek_]

How much are the scooter riders costing us compared to the rest though?

where do ya get the info on that Km

[mashman]

How much are the scooter riders costing us compared to the rest though?

I would have thought that the number of incidents was more important.

[Katman]

I would have thought that the number of incidents was more important.

Not according to ACC.

[mashman]

Not according to ACC.

So Hi-Viz is for?

[Katman]

So Hi-Viz is for?

Dunno.

You're asking the question.

[mashman]

Dunno.

You're asking the question.

I may be going out on a limb here, but I think they believe, albeit falsely imho, that it will reduce the number of incidents... so ACC probably are concerned (in some way or another) in regards to reducing the number of incidents.

[Katman]

I may be going out on a limb here, but I think they believe, albeit falsely imho, that it will reduce the number of incidents... so ACC probably are concerned (in some way or another) in regards to reducing the number of incidents.

Yeah, nah.

If they were more concerned with reducing accidents they would put more effort into supporting training rather than ATGATT.

Sent from first hand experience using painful memories of dealing with the fuckers.

[mashman]

Yeah, nah.

If they were more concerned with reducing accidents they would put more effort into supporting training rather the ATGATT.

Sent from first hand experience using painful memories of dealing with the fuckers.

Yeah, nah... experience is no guarantee that you won't be in an accident... and mistakenly believing that being seen when people aren't looking doesn't help a damned thing. Gear can save that little trip to the hospital, but the only way to implement that is to make it law. Not something I agree with, but hey, what's the alternative? A crash detection device the destroys anything within a 2 metre radius when an accident occurs. The road would be littered with destroyed cars. I'd love to know how many "incidents" (injury or not) cars have in a day as I reckon they vastly outnumber the number that bikers have. Each one of those car v car smidsy's could quite easily be a car v bike. So whilst I take your point in regards to being vigilant, it ain't gonna happen without some form of threat. The best I've heard of is a spike instead of an airbag and maybe one shooting out of the seat of a bike.

[Katman]

and mistakenly believing that being seen when people aren't looking doesn't help a damned thing.

Whoever said it did help?

Assuming you're not seen and being ready (and able) to take avoiding action will pay far greater dividends.

[McFatty1000]

Would it be the worst thing if gloves for example became compulsary? I mean, sure, its unlikely they'd stop there but it'd make some sense for anyone on a bike to wear them.

And I've only seen one scooter wearing a proper jacket. Ever. Given at what they're like in traffic (Around the uni for example), I'd suspect they'd be well up there in incidents

[Brian d marge]

12 %

horrible , shocking . as for the other 88 % they must be ............... CAR drivers ,,,and we cant have THEM on the roads forcing our ACC through the roof can we

Stephen

[ajturbo]

So..... Only 12% of road deaths were on bikes......

therfore... It it far more dangerous ( 88%) using some other mode of transport ...???

[Paul in NZ]

I object to 'stout' trousers... Mine are 'large; and I'm well built for a man my age... Stout indeed....

[Berries]

Would it be the worst thing if gloves for example became compulsary?

We could go a couple of steps further and make a metal cage around the rider compulsory as well, and perhaps four wheels to make the things little more stable.

[Ocean1]

We could go a couple of steps further and make a metal cage around the rider compulsory as well, and perhaps four wheels to make the things little more stable.

That's the problem innit? Once you give someone else the responsibility for your fuckups they're eventually going to want to manage your life to control costs.

I thought it'd only take a couple of years, but it's been 30 since ACC was first floated. That means the system works just fine without them having to take those decisions on your behalf, they can get fucked.