ACC bleating again

[oneofsix]

We could go a couple of steps further and make a metal cage around the rider compulsory as well, and perhaps four wheels to make the things little more stable.

Four wheels might be a step too far. Doesn't seem to work well with quads according to the Chief coroner. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8422...bike-roll-toll

as for the cage??? yuk

[Katman]

So..... Only 12% of road deaths were on bikes......

When we make up only 2% of the road going fleet.

[oneofsix]

When we make up only 2% of the road going fleet.

I guess the percentage of road deaths has to be pretty accurate but how accurate is the percentage of vehicle fleet figure? Wouldn't trust rego count. Bike sales? But what about rebuilds? They had a chance with the census but actually ruled out counting of motorcycles in the number of vehicles you own.

2% or 3% or even 5% does it matter?

Also doesn't factor in exposure to death when involved in a crash, the only bike I have heard of with airbags is the Goldwing. Does the percentage of crashes for percentage of fleet therefore have more bearing? Are the figures any better?

[Katman]

I guess the percentage of road deaths has to be pretty accurate but how accurate is the percentage of vehicle fleet figure? Wouldn't trust rego count. Bike sales? But what about rebuilds? They had a chance with the census but actually ruled out counting of motorcycles in the number of vehicles you own.

2% or 3% or even 5% does it matter?

Also doesn't factor in exposure to death when involved in a crash, the only bike I have heard of with airbags is the Goldwing. Does the percentage of crashes for percentage of fleet therefore have more bearing? Are the figures any better?

Whether or not it has actual bearing or not is not the issue. The reality is that the numbers make it a very easy exercise for TPTB to build a case against us.

The fact is that we are having far too many easily avoidable crashes.

(And yes, I believe the 2% figure would be quite accurate. It has been about that number since well before any motorcyclists stopped paying their rego as a form of protest.)

[oneofsix]

Whether or not it has actual bearing or not is not the issue. The reality is that the numbers make it a very easy exercise for TPTB to build a case against us.

The fact is that we are having far too many easily avoidable crashes.

(And yes, I believe the 2% figure would be quite accurate. It has been about that number since well before any motorcyclists stopped paying their rego as a form of protest.)

Yeah but take the case of SUV versus car, SUV driver is more likely to walk away so would they then target cars in the same way they do bikes. Because it is also more likely the SUV driver fucked up because they had a lower risk perception.

As to the 2% figure, with the reported increase of bikes on the road since the protest action I would have thought the percentage should have therefore increased.

Because we have the higher risk perception and the most to loose we generally do more to avoid the easily avoidable, doesn't always work and yes there are often lesson to learn. A minor bump of a car, that doesn't even rate insurance claim can be an ACC claim for us. But having had cars change into my lane on nearly every commute this week I am fucking sick of the bastards and wish they would take some responsibility for their shitty driving. FFS I was even allowing a car to change lanes when another shot past me to cut him off, all for one car length in stalled traffic felt like the bastard was trying to put me and my pillion in the hearse that had break down that caused the hold up.

Fine do our best to avoid being a stat but try and get others to share the road to. that sounds like the latest ad campaign just started on telly

[Katman]

Of the 45 motorcyclists killed last year how many do you think could be attributed to ego overload, out-riding ones ability (or the conditions), or simply not paying enough attention?

[Asher]

ACC should use our high levies to subsidies protective gear. Yea right

[oneofsix]

Of the 45 motorcyclists killed last year how many do you think could be attributed to ego overload, out-riding ones ability, or simply not paying enough attention?

That is a rather broad brush. Of the 45 motorcyclists killed last year most if not all could be attributed to being involved in a crash, lets allow a little wiggle room in case someone died from a heart attack and then crashed.
"simply not paying enough attention" nice catch all. Generally you are taught to look where you intend to go, but just because, this one time, someone was doing that instead of looking at the object they were avoiding and that object then does something abnormal then they were "simply not paying enough attention".

[Katman]

That is a rather broad brush. Of the 45 motorcyclists killed last year most if not all could be attributed to being involved in a crash, lets allow a little wiggle room in case someone died from a heart attack and then crashed.
"simply not paying enough attention" nice catch all. Generally you are taught to look where you intend to go, but just because, this one time, someone was doing that instead of looking at the object they were avoiding and that object then does something abnormal then they were "simply not paying enough attention".

Spoken like someone who is too scared to give it any serious thought.

[Devil]

Oh the horror! An article with valid points is posted to the interwebs and listen to the cries of foul by the poor widdle motorcyclists.

For fucks sake people, pull your heads in. While the best option is not to have a crash in the first place, we need to do what we can to minimize the results. It's the cost of the accidents that ACC gives a shit about, not how many there are.

This summer I have a seen an unusually high amount of people riding around in t-shirt and shorts - most of them have been on sports bikes, closely followed by large cruisers. Just plain stupid.

What a bunch of fucking whingers. Harden up you precious bastards.

[ducatilover]

Mandatory rider and driver training should be introduced. It would be cool to have a team of Katmans teaching situational awareness and it would be cool to have rider skills actually developed.

This, I think, will see a greater decrease in ACC than simply wearing gloves (chances are anyone educated is going wear gloves anyway...)

Why there is no complusary training for bikes/cars baffles me. Is there no real concern for public safety? Is it all about the money?


A fella buys a scoot and hops on it with only the need for a 1L licence and no training, what the fuck do you think will happen? Same goes for n00b bikers, 50hp GS500, no training. Sure a lot of us make it without training, but a lot do not.


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[Scuba_Steve]

Is there no real concern for public safety? Is it all about the money?

Yes & Yes (also votes)
But mandatory training won't help anything in-fact quite the opposite as the Govt never sponsors training of any worth while, at-least not when it comes to cages.
Those here who can actually drive would probably be appalled with what the Govt endorsed trainers are actually teaching.


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[ducatilover]

Yes & Yes (also votes)
But mandatory training won't help anything in-fact quite the opposite as the Govt never sponsors training of any worth while, at-least not when it comes to cages.
Those here who can actually drive would probably be appalled with what the Govt endorsed trainers are actually teaching.


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Get better trainers. Katman for being safe and intelligent, Drew for fast, OAB for the mad one arm stoppies sorted. Ducatilover for president?


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[McFatty1000]

Get better trainers. Katman for being safe and intelligent, Drew for fast, OAB for the mad one arm stoppies sorted. Ducatilover for president?


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I'd second this.

Thinking that annual (Or some form of regular) refresher training, both in the car and the bike should be implemented. Helps keep bad habits out and touches up skills along the way

[Ocean1]

Fuck, with the number of incompetent riders being discussed here by a clear majority of exerts it's amazing so few have been spotted posting. What're the chances, eh?

I reckon if all of the experts here focused on making sure their riding was up to their posting instead of minding everyone else's business we'd see a massive reduction in accidents.