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[GrayWolf]

Then they are doing it wrong, and definitely were not a student of mine!!!!!
If they were, they paid a lot of money on a ProRider Course to ignore Karel telling them this will be a very fast way of getting killed.

Remember there is a WORLD of difference between turning up to a track to do some sweet laps and a Road Based skills course... that just happens to be held at a track.
ProRider frequently hold our level 2 courses on the road, as the content is applicable to that environment.
Level 1 courses are at a track so we have all the students in one place, and we don't have the variable of the public.
This means more controllable constants.

Actually nowhere in that post did I allude, insinuate or comment that what I have 'noticed' and/or experienced (as in being UNDERTAKEN by a sprotbike rider over the Taka's while riding my FJ12, taken a wider line entering some corners and been 'undercut' on a few occasions on both the FJ and ZZR) was in any way directed at training they may or may not have received by any group/person or organisation......... neither was I insinuating that when I have followed some riders on bikes (mainly sprotbikes as these seem to be the predominant choice) and they have taken a far tighter line than I have, that it was in any way the direct result of any aforementioned training groups/organisations or individuals.
it is what I have noticed on several occasions, and I commented on it, period!

As you were!

[quickbuck]

Actually nowhere in that post did I allude, insinuate or comment that what I have 'noticed' and/or experienced (as in being UNDERTAKEN by a sprotbike rider over the Taka's while riding my FJ12, taken a wider line entering some corners and been 'undercut' on a few occasions on both the FJ and ZZR) was in any way directed at training they may or may not have received by any group/person or organisation......... neither was I insinuating that when I have followed some riders on bikes (mainly sprotbikes as these seem to be the predominant choice) and they have taken a far tighter line than I have, that it was in any way the direct result of any aforementioned training groups/organisations or individuals.
it is what I have noticed on several occasions, and I commented on it, period!

As you were!

Nice disclaimer.... however it did start to sound like Training on a Race Track was getting blurred with Track Days in this thread.
Taking the whole thread (up to that post) into context, that i the impression I got, so I figure there must be others out there who got the same impression.

Just want to keep the record straight.

If the riders are leaving their turning into the corner until they can see the exit of the corner, and exiting it about the middle of the lane, then they are doing fine.
They may well be able to "under cut" the exit line of a big bike that has not been turned so quickly*... That is my interpretation of an under-cut.

Now if they are "undertaking", then I would choose not to ride on the road with such people... and quite frankly give them a serve. It is rude and dangerous.
On a race track during a RACE it is fine, but then we have 11 metres to play with! Not 3!

Incidentally during a training day there is no passing into or on the corners AT ALL!

* Note: There is a difference between turning quickly, and turning a bike that is going quickly...

[ckai]

If you want to step into the ladies changing room then good for you Harry

Why, in my head, did this sound like that ginga dude from the Harry Potter movies? Come to think of it, invisibility cloaks...Harry...you two and closest Pottheads aren't ya???

[R-Soul]

It would be an interesting exercise to compare the number of squids who have smeared themselves across the landscape while faithfully reciting passages from Twist of the Wrist, to those who have come to grief while reciting passages from the Police Rider's Handbook to Better Motorcycling.

there is of coure teh argument that thioose who are reckless enough to ride too fast were going to do that anyway - now they are just doing it with better control and LESS likelihood of killing themselves or others. roadcarft teaches you how to think. TOTW teaches how to be in the right position on the bike to be able to control it better for any eventuality.

Two sides of the same coin.

[Petrolic]

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[Reckless]

Thats me and the bike ready to go
Decided put it on the ute rather then ride down in the wet

[bosslady]

I'd love to do CSS Level 1. I see mention of IAM but they said I couldn't join or do anything with them yet for quite some time whereas it seems I'd be allowed to go to CSS. Unfortunately it's a bit out of my $ capabilities. One day maybe...

[pritch]

When you get that CBR600 would be about the right time.

Oh, and about the IAM, now might be a good time to read their book - if you haven't already.

[bosslady]

When you get that CBR600 would be about the right time.

Oh, and about the IAM, now might be a good time to read their book - if you haven't already.

Didn't know they had a book. Have twist of the wrist one and two but I haven't read either yet. Fricking hate reading shit.

[FJRider]

Have twist of the wrist one and two but I haven't read either yet. Fricking hate reading shit.

I'm waiting for the movie to come out as well ...

[pritch]

Didn't know they had a book. Have twist of the wrist one and two but I haven't read either yet. Fricking hate reading shit.

Well this argument has been thrashed to death on KB previously, but at the risk of firing it up again.

You have been accumulating practical experience at a fairly rapid rate and it is probably appropriate that you should have some theory to go with it. And here comes the controversial bit: IMHO there are more appropriate books for you to read than ToTW. Keith Code would be more relevant when you get that 600 sprotbike.

The "Motorcycle Roadcraft" book is probably more realistic at this stage, it's smaller, and has colour pictures.
I can't give you one, I've given two away already. (With thanks to the kind KBer who supplied the second one.)

It isn't expensive and you can get it freight free here:

http://www.bookdepository.com/Motorc.../9780113411436

[bosslady]

Well this argument has been thrashed to death on KB previously, but at the risk of firing it up again.

You have been accumulating practical experience at a fairly rapid rate and it is probably appropriate that you should have some theory to go with it. And here comes the controversial bit: IMHO there are more appropriate books for you to read than ToTW. Keith Code would be more relevant when you get that 600 sprotbike.

The "Motorcycle Roadcraft" book is probably more realistic at this stage, it's smaller, and has colour pictures.
I can't give you one, I've given two away already. (With thanks to the kind KBer who supplied the second one.)

It isn't expensive and you can get it freight free here:

http://www.bookdepository.com/Motorc.../9780113411436

Honestly I just don't know that id read it. I haven't read a book in years!

[Katman]

It isn't expensive and you can get it freight free here:

http://www.bookdepository.com/Motorc.../9780113411436

I imagine both have much the same infomation but I believe this one is the latest version.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorcycle-R.../dp/011341143X

Just got my copy the other day.

[pritch]

I imagine both have much the same infomation but I believe this one is the latest version.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorcycle-R.../dp/011341143X

Just got my copy the other day.

Yeah, the two I had were like that. Amazon charges freight though, the Book Depository doesn't.

[GTRMAN]

I imagine both have much the same infomation but I believe this one is the latest version.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorcycle-R.../dp/011341143X

Just got my copy the other day.

Great book, I would suggest the IAM guide to being a better rider to start with, same concepts but a little easier to digest.

Both of these are available from www.iam.org.uk