MOTO-NZ finally come up with something for all our money

[Zedder]

Who is in blame the biker mode. Not me. I said as bikers we can do more and I said as bikers if we try and shift the blame totally onto other road users we are in denial about the obvious. I did not say other road users are blameless. Far from it.

If you look at the accident stats for serious injuries and fatalities across the urban and rural environment, about 30% of accidents do not involve other vehicles. Of the accidents that involve multiple vehicles at least half of them (probably more truth be told) the principle fault is the biker, the rest lie with cars. Katman was right in that respect (at least with my understanding of the accidents stats).

However, that picture changes quite a lot if you look at all accidents (minor in addition to serious and fatal). There are a lot more minor accidents reported and about 80% of those do not relate to speed, alcohol, drugs or rider fault. So at least at the minor end of the scale we riders are doing well, other road users are not.

So when people start quoting stats, it pays to ask what accidents the stats relate too.

It looks like the issues have been listed and, from what I know, they are being addressed.

We already have ACC backed motorcycle training courses, the car and motorcycle licence system has been changed to "assess the higher skills expected of todays more experienced applicants" and "improve safety of motorcyclists" respectively plus the Police have implemented the "Safer journeys" strategy with "top priorities" being:young drivers, alcohol and drug impaired drivers, motorcycling, road and roadsides and safer speeds."

Why then are motorcyclists still paying $30 each to MOTO-NZ? It certainly appears the "as bikers we can do" concept is a bottomless pit for our money.

[Paul in NZ]

Well I don’t know much about riding ‘standards’, what ever they are? I mean I’m not sure you can measure them or enforce them effectively and even if you can, the biggest maniac on the road can ride safely while under a short examination.

I think lumping it all in together as 'riding standards' is not right. I know people who have zero natural ability and look simply awkward on a motorcycle and yet they have completed many many thousands of trouble free kilo’s simply because they are aware of their deficiencies and ride accordingly. Similarly how many people do you know that can make a bike do almost anything and still smear themselves all over the scenery?

Standards and ability are nothing compared to a healthy self-preservation instinct.

[Blackbird]

Well I don’t know much about riding ‘standards’, what ever they are? I mean I’m not sure you can measure them or enforce them effectively and even if you can, the biggest maniac on the road can ride safely while under a short examination.

I think lumping it all in together as 'riding standards' is not right. I know people who have zero natural ability and look simply awkward on a motorcycle and yet they have completed many many thousands of trouble free kilo’s simply because they are aware of their deficiencies and ride accordingly. Similarly how many people do you know that can make a bike do almost anything and still smear themselves all over the scenery?

Standards and ability are nothing compared to a healthy self-preservation instinct.

I largely agree Paul, although there are riding techniques which help enormously which aren't taught at what you might call learner level. Also depends on what you call "short examination". I'm not specifically pushing the IAM approach, but my 2 hour assessment ride a couple of years ago caused major ego damage in terms of riding professionally. Best thing I've ever done. In any event, you're right about self-preservation. The trouble is, how many motorcyclists and car drivers do we see on a daily basis who lack that self-preservation instinct or have an excess of confidence in their own abilities?

[davereid]

In any event, you're right about self-preservation.?

Absolutely true. 23% of multiple vehicle accidents are primarily the responsibility of the motorcyclist.

Its within our reach to make that zero percent - that's my personal target.

And while I can't do anything to improve the skills of the fella responsible for the other 77% of accidents, I can improve my skills so that he can make his mistakes, and I still have room to move.

That doesnt alter the basic fact here, that ACC are cherry picking data to get the outcomes they want.

[Big Dave]

When I first heard about this $30 levy at the BRONZ meeting after the Wellington rally - I imagined/dreamed/hoped it would fund awareness campaigns. (amongst other things)

Maybe some of the 'look out for bikes' stuff on TV or popular press I thought. Get some messages out there.

Even those Mick Doohan - 'Road is not a race track' ideas aimed at rider behaviour - in any sort of media.

How many years on is it? And still it's statistics?

[bogan]

When I first heard about this $30 levy at the BRONZ meeting after the Wellington rally - I imagined/dreamed/hoped it would fund awareness campaigns. (amongst other things)

Maybe some of the 'look out for bikes' stuff on TV or popular press I thought. Get some messages out there.

Even those Mick Doohan - 'Road is not a race track' ideas aimed at rider behaviour - in any sort of media.

How many years on is it? And still it's statistics?

Latest council update shows the main focus of 2013 is three more statistical research proposals

But also consideration for:
A riding/driving conditions website
A riding mentoring initiative
Safety awareness initiatives aimed at scooter and moped riders
Public awareness campaign for all road users about safely sharing the road

Which probably means they are considering how to go about forming a committee to decide on the best research methods to decide on how to research the implementation strategies for the aforementioned considerations.

[MSTRS:Me]

Welcome to the Magic Roundabout. (Someone's) money funds it's operation, whilst it never goes anywhere but in circles.
Just like the problem of sand-scouring at Westshore beach. 'Everyone' knows the cause, 'everyone' knows what will fix it. But nothing is ever actually done.

[willytheekid]

MOTONZ!


Hmmm...I can't remember asking you lot to "represent" me?...and yet you have ensured I have to pay for the so called priviledge??

No thanks...Please have your Bullshit! $30 fee removed from my already rediculas rego fees. (Thats If you REALLY want to help kiwi bikers!...instead of just playing "holier than thou", judging the rest of us and pissing around with bullshit ACC Stats!)



...its ALL you do!

[Big Dave]

Even private enterprise over here gets in on the act.

These are effective - if only by repetition.

[oneofsix]

1. good ad.
2. We have Super Cheap here and nothing stopping them running it here.
3. We are forced to pay the govt. for the service, about time they provided it

[Usarka]

We have Super Cheap here and nothing stopping them running it here.

They "launched" the carma campaign here a year ago. Supposedly.

http://carma.supercheapauto.co.nz/ar...News.aspx?id=2

[Big Dave]

Supposedly.

They use the word 'Australasian' in the content once.

Right, yer in.

[Usarka]

Australasian?

[Big Dave]

I went looking for the Benny Hill skit where the nurse has 'Pat' written on her boob - like Poh. No find.

I did find that chick from Frazier in her knickers though.

[Pampera]

I went looking for the Benny Hill skit where the nurse has 'Pat' written on her boob - like Poh. No find.

I did find that chick from Frazier in her knickers though.

Brilliant!
Posting this clip alone well exceeds the sum total of value MotoNZ has delivered for motorcyclists over the last three years, by a substantial margin. At last I have got something worthwhile and tangible for the levy! Benny Hill - the Guvnor!

Michael