MOTO-NZ finally come up with something for all our money

[Berries]

Motorcyclists are primarily responsible for only 33% of single vehicle crashes.

You are taking the piss right? What are you blaming the other two thirds on then?


EDIT - For info, using CAS, which is the best thing we have, it shows that in all single vehicle crashes over the last five years involving mopeds and motorbikes 2073 had the rider at fault, 102 had no fault. Thats 95% by my reckoning and I would suggest much closer to the real figure than 33%. According to the new Safer Journeys action plan released yesterday everything has been fixed anyway –

The first actions were followed by the 2011–12 Action Plan, which had a broad scope and contributed to improvements across many areas of the system, such as significant reductions in fatal and serious road crashes amongst motorcyclists and high-risk drivers.

We must all be due a refund.

[davereid]

You are taking the piss right? What are you blaming the other two thirds on then?
EDIT - For info, using CAS, which is the best thing we have, it shows that in all single vehicle crashes over the last five years involving mopeds and motorbikes 2073 had the rider at fault, 102 had no fault. Thats 95% by my reckoning and I would suggest much closer to the real figure than 33%. According to the new Safer Journeys action plan released yesterday everything has been fixed anyway –We must all be due a refund.

Yep I was taking the piss.

As I said in my post, I shifted the denominator right back at them by quoting their own figures, but using a denominator of single vehicles crashes when the stats had been compiled for all crashes....

The difference is, when I do it, I says so LOL even if it is in fine print.

But don't forget, the entire debate around who is at fault is misleading.

As I have said before, car drivers are responsible for virtually 100% of car accidents. And no one is surprised by that.

But if you say motorcyclists are responsible for more than half motorcycle accidents, that is apparently supposed to make us say "gee we can't drive"

[Flip]

WTF has MotoNZ actually done in the last two years?

Two fifths of fuck all.

I want my $60 back MotoNZ you useless pricks, I will book myself on a advanced skills course without your help.

[gunnyrob]

Hmm, so they're working on this then:

"Latest council update shows the main focus of 2013 is three more statistical research proposals

But also consideration for:
A riding/driving conditions website Why not ramp up the safer journeys website or something similar?
A riding mentoring initiative Raise awareness of rides like NASS/SASS and IAM and grant subsidies for the organisers so they can obtain resources
Safety awareness initiatives aimed at scooter and moped riders expand Auckland Transports "one layer is safer than none campaign
Public awareness campaign for all road users about safely sharing the road That supercheap auto video was excellent, so fund more like it

Which probably means they are considering how to go about forming a committee to decide on the best research methods to decide on how to research the implementation strategies for the aforementioned considerations" job done

[Katman]

Yep I was taking the piss.

As I said in my post, I shifted the denominator right back at them by quoting their own figures, but using a denominator of single vehicles crashes when the stats had been compiled for all crashes....

The difference is, when I do it, I says so LOL even if it is in fine print.

But don't forget, the entire debate around who is at fault is misleading.

As I have said before, car drivers are responsible for virtually 100% of car accidents. And no one is surprised by that.

But if you say motorcyclists are responsible for more than half motorcycle accidents, that is apparently supposed to make us say "gee we can't drive"

If you're going to 'shift the denominator' at least try to do it in a feasible manner.

Otherwise you just look stupid.

[Ocean1]

I see that the new armco barriers over the Rumutakas are all mounted high on flanged C section steel posts. Pretty much precicely the sort of shit I'd have thought any organisation looking to improve biker safety would have been all over in the standards compliance phase of introdctuon of new product.

Letting it get so far as actual installation is a fucking joke.

[davereid]

If you're going to 'shift the denominator' at least try to do it in a feasible manner.

Otherwise you just look stupid.

Thats the problem around here. Unless you are really really obviously tongue-in-cheek everyone thinks you are serious...

[gunnyrob]

research is valuable - it's a fact!

[MSTRS:Me]

I see that the new armco barriers over the Rumutakas are all mounted high on flanged C section steel posts. Pretty much precicely the sort of shit I'd have thought any organisation looking to improve biker safety would have been all over in the standards compliance phase of introdctuon of new product.

Letting it get so far as actual installation is a fucking joke.

Dear Stephen

I can not believe what I am seeing with the 'new, improved and approved' post design. The wooden posts were bad enough and have killed numerous people, several being people I personally knew.
With reference to photo #1 on this website page http://www.csppacific.co.nz/Gallery....ctid=nuguard31 I have to ask...Is there a deliberate plot to create more killing and dismembering road furniture and fittings? As if the cheesecutter posts and wires aren't enough, motorcyclists are now faced with what I have drawn and attached.
As a rider of long standing, I am well aware of the need for safety equipment, but I am horrified with what is being employed these days in the name of 'safety'. To hit any type of post is bad news to a crashing rider, but to have an exposed edge like these new posts defies any rational explanation.
As ever, the fix is simple. Will the calls for a bottom rail of some description, such as 'Mototub' used in Europe and Britain to cover the posts, continue to fall on deaf ears? And yes, I understand things like 'cost/benefit ratios' - however, I can only guess at how many kilometers of safety fence/rail posts could be made safer by the amount that one human life is valued at.

I look forward to your response

I sent that to Steven Joyce on April 12, 2010. His reponse was not 'encouraging'. And this fabulous new, friable post continues to be put in on every new or replacement Armco barrier.
What is worse (in some ways) is the posts actually stick up above the W beam - so try sliding along the top or go under. Nasty.
Fucking pricks.

[Katman]

I sent that to Steven Joyce on April 12, 2010. His reponse was not 'encouraging'. And this fabulous new, friable post continues to be put in on every new or replacement Armco barrier.
What is worse (in some ways) is the posts actually stick up above the W beam - so try sliding along the top or go under. Nasty.
Fucking pricks.

Yeah, 'sticking it to the man' hasn't done us jack shit yet.

Perhaps it's time to start looking a bit closer to home.

[Ocean1]

I sent that to Steven Joyce on April 12, 2010. His reponse was not 'encouraging'. And this fabulous new, friable post continues to be put in on every new or replacement Armco barrier.
What is worse (in some ways) is the posts actually stick up above the W beam - so try sliding along the top or go under. Nasty.
Fucking pricks.

I'd be surprised if there wasn't some mechanism in NZ law requiring any govt funded safety initiative to be structured so as to benefit different groups similarly. Fuck knows how you get a specific safety installation actually likely to kill a significant group of taxpayers.

[Ocean1]

Yeah, 'sticking it to the man' hasn't done us jack shit yet.

Perhaps it's time to start looking a bit closer to home.

Yeah, 'cause if you really really pay attention those sharp edged steel posts on the outside of curves routinely doused with diesel won't ever get ya.


Sanctimonious fuckwit.

[Katman]

Yeah, 'cause if you really really pay attention those sharp edged steel posts on the outside of curves routinely doused with diesel won't ever get ya.


Sanctimonious fuckwit.

Do you have trouble staying upright when you're riding next to a WRB?

You should stick to a car.

Shitforbrains.

[Ocean1]

Do you have trouble staying upright when you're riding next to a WRB?

You should stick to a car.

Shitforbrains.

Only on the corners. Why don't you come show me how it's done, arsehole?

[Katman]

Only on the corners. Why don't you come show me how it's done, arsehole?

Do you really need someone to show you how to do it?