Dobbed in weed-growing parents

**mashman** · 6th April 2013, 12:58

Originally Posted by Edbear

If anyone is actually paying attention, my criticism is off those who make irrelevant arguments to try to justify their smoking dope. None if these ones could care less about them in reality, all they want is to be able to smoke dope without consequence. Why don't such persons simply say so in the first place? Arguing as they do only reinforces that they have no argument.

You also know, despite saying straight out your reasons, that smoking is a health hazard that cannot be argued with. There is no safe way to smoke anything, yet the smokers here bleat on about how you don't have to smoke Cannabis. So stop smoking it.

I have no objection whatever to exploring the potential uses of any substance and if Cannabis was genuinely able to be used for the good health of people without the side effects I would be all for it. Cannabis is probably one of the most researched substances in the world and there is not much that isn't known about it.

Another tactic by some members is that they consistently denigrate any research findings regardless of who publishes them that do not support their views. Posting any research at all is a complete waste of time when "discussing" subjects with addicts or prejudiced persons. And yes I know some here will ignore my comments above and erroneously fire this back at me.

I think it's called freedom of choice. Tis a shame that too many feel the need to curtail that freedom on the ground of health. I wouldn't mind so much if it was to educate me enough to make my own decisions, but it ain't. It's an economical decision and a crusade for some. the crusaders not really fully understanding that they're removing my freedom of choice by enforcing their will. Under either of those conditions, they can go get fucked. Time to roll out a tired old argument, but if it works for me and isn't hurting anyone else, then why should I have to engage in what is perceived to be criminal activity in order to get my mental and physical meds?

The research is deeply flawed because both sides are probably right. Note: there isn't a righter in this case, just a bunch of fuckers telling me that I can't because they don't believe that I should. So wrong in so many ways.

**Katman** · 6th April 2013, 13:41

Originally Posted by mashman

... and look at what happened. Technological/Medical/Innovational etc... explosions.

And let's not forget Artistic.

**Edbear** · 6th April 2013, 17:30

Originally Posted by Madness

Ed & I enjoy winding each other up. He's a pillock but he's much more of a man than you'll ever be, which is really quite sad

Am not!

A pillock I mean...

Originally Posted by Katman

That's you to a T Ed.

So predictable....

Originally Posted by Madness

Those in the pro-decriminalisation camp don't usually state that their own personal agenda is to be able to use Cannabis without persecution because it's quite fucking obvious.

You don't have to smoke Cannabis Ed, you can eat it too. The books didn't mention that either?

Cannabis is genuinely able to be used for the good health of people without the side effects, which is why Cannabis law reform is spreading throughout the developed world at a rapid rate currently. Sadly, New Zealand is at the forefront of making silly laws and lags behind in the area of common-sense sometimes.

Cannabis use has been the subject of decades of misinformation and false truths as an attempt to justify the continuation of the war on drugs, little wonder people may seem prejudiced.

Are you going to answer the question I put to you earlier?

That was my point. It is a personal choice as are most choices you make. It just amuses me when people with no interest at all in anything but smoking dope for its effects try to justify it by making all these silly arguments. Just man up and say, "I don't care, all I want to do is smoke dope and get high!"

I know the effects of Cannabis and I have no more desire to get stoned than to get drunk. I like to be in full control of all my faculties. I take only drugs that are necessary to function and so far the only medications that work are those recommended and prescribed by my Drs. So if Cannabis was developed as a painkiller without the side effects so desired by those addicted and was recommended for my needs by my Drs. I would use it.

**mashman** · 6th April 2013, 17:49

Originally Posted by Katman

And let's not forget Artistic.

Isn't it all art? ommmmmmmmmmm

**scumdog** · 6th April 2013, 19:29

This sorry-arsed thread STILL going - and not yet in PD?

Wot a mirc'le!

**Madness** · 6th April 2013, 19:42

Originally Posted by Ed

That was my point. It is a personal choice as are most choices you make. It just amuses me when people with no interest at all in anything but smoking dope for its effects try to justify it by making all these silly arguments. Just man up and say, "I don't care, all I want to do is smoke dope and get high!"

The personal choice you speak of isn't as clear cut as it should be though as it involves choosing wether to break the law (which in this case is an ass) to enjoy a quiet smoke which harms no-one, other than the potential harm to the respiratory system of the smoker, which can be negated by ingesting by other (non-combustion) means. Do you honestly think the states & countries that have recently relaxed Cannabis laws would have done so if the only argument was "I want to get stoned"? As I stated earlier, I have no current need to use Cannabis medicinally but if I did I would still be faced with breaking the law for using a plant in such a manner.

Originally Posted by Ed

I know the effects of Cannabis and I have no more desire to get stoned than to get drunk.

So you've smoked Cannabis before then? If not I'd like to suggest that you do not know the effects and are relying on your "research". The effects can be quite different for different people and can also vary depending on the strain of the plant, quantity consumed, etc, etc. If you had never had sexual intercourse but had read about the experience in a textbook do you think you'd be in a position to say you "know how sex feels?"

Originally Posted by Ed

I like to be in full control of all my faculties.

So do I, which is why I choose to abstain (in the most part) from drinking alcohol, it's simpy not for me. It is completely possible to retain full control of ones faculties whilst enjoying the benefits of having consumed Cannabis, trust me on this one. As with alcohol, it pays to be sensible with the level of consumption and an example that comes to mind is the fact that it is legal to drive as an adult with up to 399 micrograms of alcohol per litre of breath - you can use alcohol without being drunk and you can consume Cannabis without getting munted.

**Laava** · 6th April 2013, 20:00

Originally Posted by Madness

It is completely possible to retain full control of ones faculties whilst enjoying the benefits of having consumed Cannabis, trust me on this one.

I smoked weed for many years and have done so in many countries and I have to say I totally disagree.

**Madness** · 6th April 2013, 20:03

Originally Posted by Laava

I smoked weed for many years and have done so in many countries and I have to say I totally disagree.

Best you abstain from it then because it obviously doesn't agree with you or you're a hungus that struggles to moderate your consumption. Alcohol has an effect on me from the first glass of beer, I hate the shit.

**Laava** · 6th April 2013, 20:07

Originally Posted by Madness

Best you abstain from it then because it obviously doesn't agree with you or you're a hungus that struggles to moderate your consumption. Alcohol has an effect on me from the first glass of beer, I hate the shit.

You're right, it didn't agree with me and it got worse over time. Alcohol on the other hand, for me, and in the small quantities I usually drink is just a relaxant.
My mate was in denial about the effects of weed on him as well. Everyone else could see it though and he was diagnosed a paranoid schizo. Not that he needed a label and thankfully he was not dangerous.

**scumdog** · 6th April 2013, 20:08

Originally Posted by Madness

Best you abstain from it then because it obviously doesn't agree with you or you're a hungus that struggles to moderate your consumption. Alcohol has an effect on me from the first glass of beer, I hate the shit.

And one toke doesn't?

Tuis moment??

Posted from a large glass of JD...

**Madness** · 6th April 2013, 20:11

Originally Posted by Laava

You're right, it didn't agree with me and it got worse over time. Alcohol on the other hand, for me, and in the small quantities I usually drink is just a relaxant.
My mate was in denial about the effects of weed on him as well. Everyone else could see it though and he was diagnosed a paranoid schizo. Not that he needed a label and thankfully he was not dangerous.

Cannabis is used "just as a relaxant" by thousands upon thousands of New Zealanders every day, do you agree that they should be labelled as criminals, assuming that a lot of them find alcohol doesn't agree with them also?

As an aside, do you realise the subject of your avatar has been charged with sex offences recently?