Dobbed in weed-growing parents

[FJRider]

Breaking the law by consuming Cannabis is a by-product of having made the decision to do so. People don't consume Cannabis purely because they want to break the law. People I know who consume Cannabis get enjoyment from doing so and they do not intefere or harm others or the property of others. There is no victim.

People that exceed the posted speed limits don't do so just to break the law (ok ... a few might) they enjoy the feeling speed gives them. Most such times a "victim" may not always be apparent. (to the offender) That is not to say there never is/was a victim.
Interference in the rights of others may not be intentional ... but that doesn't mean it never happens. Or that it is never intentional.

Penalties for traffic offences should carry harsher penalties than for posession of Cannabis or utensils (which shouldn't carry a penalty at all IMO). Breaking the traffic laws brings a serious chance of causing harm to others and their property, there will likely be an innocent victim.

The last vote in Parliament for decriminalization of dope was defeated 84 - 34. So nothing is likely to change anytime soon.
I stand by my opinion that decisions made under the influence of is not sensible, or for anybody's betterment.
If you don't like hearing others beliefs ... stop spouting your own.

[ducatilover]

SKS's aren't illegal.

Thank fuck for that, I was using one the other day


Sent from my hiding place, away from the scary drug peoples

[Madness]

People that exceed the posted speed limits don't do so just to break the law (ok ... a few might) they enjoy the feeling speed gives them. Most such times a "victim" may not always be apparent. (to the offender) That is not to say there never is/was a victim.
Interference in the rights of others may not be intentional ... but that doesn't mean it never happens. Or that it is never intentional.

The last vote in Parliament for decriminalization of dope was defeated 84 - 34. So nothing is likely to change anytime soon.
I stand by my opinion that decisions made under the influence of is not sensible, or for anybody's betterment.
If you don't like hearing others beliefs ... stop spouting your own.

Firstly, it's not that I don't like hearing your beliefs, it's that I struggle to understand you at times which is unique in that I can't think of any others right now who I have the same trouble understanding. Hell, I even understand actungbaby's posts - does that tell you anything? It's almost like at times you try to be cleverer than you really are, maybe it's not that & you're just a bad writer? Considering your spectacular post count it might also be you rather than I who does more of the spouting around here, IYKWIM.

O.K you want to continue drawing parallels between Cannabis "offending" with speeding on the road. One of these two things can be done whilst alone, inside a private residence sitting down in front of telly. The other can obvously only happen whilst being in control of a motor vehicle, presumably on a public road which is populated with other, innocent motorists. These other motorsists may or may not be apparent when one decides to break the posted speed limit but there's a chance they'll be there and they could be harmed. Who is the person smoking a doob on their couch going to harm and what is the value to be had from comparing these offences again?

Consider the Cannabis law reform issue instead perhaps in parallel with the Gay Marriage debate. Both of these things involve the choices made by individuals, often resulting in a betterment in their lives (we all know about the marriage is a life penalty gag) by what they choose to do in the privacy of their own home. It is not for me, you or Te Gubbermint to decide what will ultimately make our lives better. In each situation there are no victims, no damage is caused. Both issues revolve around equality and fairness and rely upon a change in the attitudes and beliefs of our society, many of which have been formed from generations of lies from government and churches. This comparison makes so much more sense to me than comparing the debate at hand to the Traffic Regulations.

Cannabis criminalisation is an interference on the rights of adults who should be free to make a decision about their use of the plant. It is a deliberate interference in the rights of a human being (fuck, I sound like Akzle). The tide is turning and I believe we will see change in this country within my lifetime, Gays will probably be getting married within the next couple of years so who knows.

You can stand by your opinion all you like FJ, whatever knowledge & personal experience it's based on you own it and it's not to be taken away from you. Call me a cunt too for all I care, I seriously don't give a fuck.

[ducatilover]

Cannabis and speeding are not really comparable issues...
Even I know that for goodness' sake and I'm a bald ginger.

I speed more than I inject marijuanas

[slowpoke]

I've had some difficulty grasping your point and wonder if this is another one of your posts for the sake of posting but I'll give it my best shot. Breaking the law by consuming Cannabis is a by-product of having made the decision to do so. People don't consume Cannabis purely because they want to break the law. People I know who consume Cannabis get enjoyment from doing so and they do not intefere or harm others or the property of others. There is no victim.



Penalties for traffic offences should carry harsher penalties than for posession of Cannabis or utensils (which shouldn't carry a penalty at all IMO). Breaking the traffic laws brings a serious chance of causing harm to others and their property, there will likely be an innocent victim.

Like I said, I gave it my best shot. Feel free to clarify your point, if indeed there was one.

So your argument is all about personal pleasure? And if there is no victim there is no crime? How is that different to traffic laws? There doesn't seem to be a lot of difference (harm-wise) between doing 120kph on a nice straight empty road with good visibility in good conditions than having a quiet toke in the privacy of your own home.

Now here's the rub: what if you raise the speed to 170kph, and that quiet toke turns into seriously mulled up. Where EXACTLY do you draw the line? Add a child as passenger or sitting next to mum and dad on the couch as they get mellowed and the situation gets a lil' unsavoury with even mild transgressions, yeah?

Is smoking cannabis "wrong"? I dunno, but a fairly solid litmus test is asking yourself if you'd be happy to have your kids involved in whatever is happening, be it arcing up on/in your bike/car and getting pissed/stoned. Or how about your 18year old babysitter having a quiet toke while you're off to some function? There are a million situations that would make you go "Oooh, hang on a minute..." So try writing "better" laws to cover every eventuality/situation and you'll soon realise it's too fukn' hard and arrive back with what we've got.

Back to the original article, it's laughable that people have such little vision of what may or may not have happened in the past and finding the plants might have just been the penny dropping for her. If her parents have in any way made her feel unsafe or spooked or confused etc etc during her childhood as a result of them putting their pleasure before her (and her possible siblings) safety and wellbeing then all power to her. Judging someone a "narc" or "snitch" with zero backgroud information is just blind ignorance.

[mashman]

True Tiger bro

And so the shootout at the KB corral continued, the booze gang had numbers and badges, but the weed gang were also hungry for some some of the pie.

Jesus and Mohammed, alcohol and cannabis

bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa GOLD.

[Madness]

So your argument is all about personal pleasure? And if there is no victim there is no crime? How is that different to traffic laws? There doesn't seem to be a lot of difference (harm-wise) between doing 120kph on a nice straight empty road with good visibility in good conditions than having a quiet toke in the privacy of your own home.

It's about personal freedom, rather than pleasure specifically. There is no crime if it's not illegal, wether there is a victim or not - crazy, huh? What's the difference? Seriously? Speed kills, everyone knows that

If you get pinged doing 120 down the straight road you described you'll get an Infringement Notice with a fine and demerit points and in two years time the incident will fade into complete oblivion and insignificance. If you get caught in your living room with a small amount of Cannabis in your posession, regardless of wether you're under the influence at the time, you'll probably get a drugs conviction. You'll have trouble finding employment and you'll enjoy (not) other things like restrictions in international travel and the stigma associated with the conviction. Do you honestly think that's fair? I could live with an Infringement Notice for Cannabis posession, maybe that's the sensible compromise?

Now here's the rub: what if you raise the speed to 170kph, and that quiet toke turns into seriously mulled up. Where EXACTLY do you draw the line? Add a child as passenger or sitting next to mum and dad on the couch as they get mellowed and the situation gets a lil' unsavoury with even mild transgressions, yeah?

Why not throw in some gerbils, a knife-thrower and a trapeeze artiste? It's your fantasy. I don't see Mum & Dad having a puff on the couch next to young Billy any more unsavoury than if they were on the piss. It's about what is acceptble in society, something that changes with time and through generations. Under the status quo if young Billy sees dad smoking a doob he probably knows dad is breaking the law, if Cannabis was decriminalised in the same situation nothing really changes except Dads legal status. Fucking crazy.

Is smoking cannabis "wrong"? I dunno, but a fairly solid litmus test is asking yourself if you'd be happy to have your kids involved in whatever is happening, be it arcing up on/in your bike/car and getting pissed/stoned. Or how about your 18year old babysitter having a quiet toke while you're off to some function? There are a million situations that would make you go "Oooh, hang on a minute..." So try writing "better" laws to cover every eventuality/situation and you'll soon realise it's too fukn' hard and arrive back with what we've got.

I don't have kids but I'm pretty sure I would have no problem with my hypothetical 17 year-old having a puff. It's not going to kill them, just as having a beer or six probably won't either. There's a million situations where you would go "Oooh, hang on a minute..." with a lot of other issues. People could probably be killed with Marmite if enough effort was put into it. The babysitter could drink a case of Vodka legally and burn the house down while you're out, oh fuck - best we make alcohol illegal, never thought of that.

Back to the original article, it's laughable that people have such little vision of what may or may not have happened in the past and finding the plants might have just been the penny dropping for her. If her parents have in any way made her feel unsafe or spooked or confused etc etc during her childhood as a result of them putting their pleasure before her (and her possible siblings) safety and wellbeing then all power to her. Judging someone a "narc" or "snitch" with zero backgroud information is just blind ignorance.

Hey, that's your opinion on the OP and thanks for sharing. You don't know any of that though, do you? You know what we all know from the media reports and based on that information I reckon the girl's a cunt. If you don't like that maybe you should get some counselling too.

I struggle to imagine a situation where an 18 year old Kiwi kid in this day and age could feel scared or threatened by the discovery of their parents two Cannabis plants. If Cannabis wasn't illegal the girl wouldn't be a cunt - chew on that one for a while.

[Akzle]

I laid a complaint with the IPCA the other day.....well weeks ago actually, and the copper i spoke to yesterday assured me that popo is not only looking at regos of bikies, and no they don't single us out, and they don't try to collect revenue ....and even that the thing with the donuts is a myth......

what the fuck are you on about. all of those things are bullshit.

If anyone is actually paying attention, my criticism is off those who make irrelevant arguments to try to justify their smoking dope. None if these ones could care less about them in reality, all they want is to be able to smoke dope without consequence. Why don't such persons simply say so in the first place? Arguing as they do only reinforces that they have no argument.

I have no objection whatever to exploring the potential uses of any substance and if Cannabis was genuinely able to be used for the good health of people without the side effects I would be all for it. Cannabis is probably one of the most researched substances in the world and there is not much that isn't known about it.

1) i did. and i'm not entering into much longwinded discussion about it (not looking at anyone in particular).
so.. i have your permission to smoke dope now? do i ed, pwease, pwetty pwease?

2) you need to get some better literature (or dope) try the G13 that the united states federal government grows (it's GM, but good dope) no paranoia or "side" effects just nifty, medical grade cannabijuana.

can't argue with the us ed, otherwise they might invade your country.which happens to be my country, and i'm not down with that shit.

and what about heroin, ed? like the whole "we're off to afghansitan" thing.
heroin has legitimate medical uses, it's prescribed, even comes in handy tablets. (has "side" effects, obviously) but shirley you must be anti heroin?

Nope. It's been a very long time since I was fortunate enough to be in posession of Cannabis as high quality as that.

bro. (well, not bro, you're an aucklander) i will huuuuuk yuuuuu uppppp. oneday. i have a stack of seeds that are refusing to grow

The same argument comes up with alcohol and speeding. Who judges whether you are in full control and capable? What you say implies there should be no law and everyone decides for themselves what is safe and whether they are affected or not.

You say you know how you are affected or whether you are so should everyone else have the same right?

are you awake ed? do you remember which side of this argument you were on?
YES.
i'm firmly of the belief that if you're not harming anyone else you should be "allowed" to do whatever the fuck you want. going fast while stoned is definitely one of those things.

or, perhaps, no, we need some god-like people to tell us how to live our lives, and what's "safe", and whether we are "in control" of a vehicle going sideways. because no grown up could decide those things for themselves. obviously.

Now here's the rub: what if you raise the speed to 170kph, and that quiet toke turns into seriously mulled up. Where EXACTLY do you draw the line? Add a child as passenger or sitting next to mum and dad on the couch as they get mellowed and the situation gets a lil' unsavoury with even mild transgressions, yeah?

Back to the original article, it's laughable that people have such little vision of what may or may not have happened...Judging someone a "narc" or "snitch" with zero backgroud information is just blind ignorance.

1) shit. that's right. everyone turns into a raving incestuous pedophile everytime they smoke dope, a damn shame i'm a kindy teacher in the day time, innit. your little timmy is looking hot.

2) at 18 in this country (or 15 if you want to fuck) you're considered an adult. is it an adult decision to snitch on your parents? maybe, if you're a bitch.
surely if there had been problems (like all that raving incestuous pedophilia that obviously happend.) in the past, she might have, say, called the police then?

silence is consent. ...it's not rape just 'cos she's unconscious.

[slowpoke]

It's about personal freedom, rather than pleasure specifically. There is no crime if it's not illegal, wether there is a victim or not - crazy, huh? What's the difference? Seriously? Speed kills, everyone knows that

Yep, freedom it is....but freedom to do what exactly? Freedom to put others at risk? Freedom to inflict a personality controlled by a lightswitch on others? (speaking from personal experience). Freedom to get as high as you like regardless of the children in your care? Like it or nor not individual freedom's have to be balanced against the effects on the wider community.

If you get pinged doing 120 down the straight road you described you'll get an Infringement Notice with a fine and demerit points and in two years time the incident will fade into complete oblivion and insignificance. If you get caught in your living room with a small amount of Cannabis in your posession, regardless of wether you're under the influence at the time, you'll probably get a drugs conviction. You'll have trouble finding employment and you'll enjoy (not) other things like restrictions in international travel and the stigma associated with the conviction. Do you honestly think that's fair? I could live with an Infringement Notice for Cannabis posession, maybe that's the sensible compromise?

First timer with no history I doubt you'd have a conviction recorded, for the very reasons you mention. Fair? Is it fair to cry foul if you are caught drinking/buying alcohol in Saudi Arabia and receive a public flogging? Is it fair to cry foul when receiving a death sentence for importing drugs into Indonesia? In comparison to some of those policies you could argue that the penalty's in NZ are virtually non-existent. But if everyone knows the consequences how is it unfair? And if the consequences are that severe (even though they aren't in comparison to others), the question has to be asked: why do it? It's your future, if you knowingly choose to put it at risk then be prepared to suck up whatever happens.

Why not throw in some gerbils, a knife-thrower and a trapeeze artiste? It's your fantasy. I don't see Mum & Dad having a puff on the couch next to young Billy any more unsavoury than if they were on the piss. It's about what is acceptble in society, something that changes with time and through generations. Under the status quo if young Billy sees dad smoking a doob he probably knows dad is breaking the law, if Cannabis was decriminalised in the same situation nothing really changes except Dads legal status. Fucking crazy.

Hmmm, I thought cannabis was supposed to free the mind? So why the limited imagination? Methinks you need to experience a lil' more life and see the law of unintended consequences played out a few times. "Nothing really changes" in your above argument? You don't think the use of cannabis will massively increase without a deterrent? You don't think that the problems associated with it's use (you may be a god while using it but many folks aren't) will also increase proportionally? You don't think mental/physical health services will feel added burden? Short sighted much? So plenty of known and unknown consequences for what benefit? SFA as far as I can see.

I don't have kids but I'm pretty sure I would have no problem with my hypothetical 17 year-old having a puff. It's not going to kill them, just as having a beer or six probably won't either. There's a million situations where you would go "Oooh, hang on a minute..." with a lot of other issues. People could probably be killed with Marmite if enough effort was put into it. The babysitter could drink a case of Vodka legally and burn the house down while you're out, oh fuck - best we make alcohol illegal, never thought of that.

Why 17 and not 11 for your hypothetical son? It's all good right? But playing the "but what about alcohol?" card is like saying "they're doin' sumthin' stoopid, so I wanna be allowed to do sumthin' stoopid too". Life isn't an episode of "Jackass", although this thread does make me wonder. The inconsistency in your argument is that your gratuitous use of Marmite really only affects you, whereas free use of cannabis (you were talking about freedom, weren't you?) would also affect many (I'm happy to admit not all) families, workmates, and communities. If there was a possibility of there being a net benefit to society then have at it, camp out in the greenhouse and light up the whole crops, I wouldn't give a shit. But doing the math based on my own experience the only major benefits are related to medicinal use for the chronically/terminally ill not wholesale public consumption.

Hey, that's your opinion on the OP and thanks for sharing. You don't know any of that though, do you? You know what we all know from the media reports and based on that information I reckon the girl's a cunt. If you don't like that maybe you should get some counselling too.

That's exactly my point, we don't know a fukn thing about the drivers behind what has happened, but until you know why she's done it jumping to any conclusion is exercising your knee instead of your brain. Seems like common sense to me but as they say, it's obviously not that common these days. She may well just be a spitefull, pious bitch......or as a 10year old she may have been paid a bedroom visit by Uncle Frank while mum and dad giggled away on the couch sharing a joint.

You

just

don't

know.

But hey, if you're prepared to judge someone you don't know, in a situation you know nothing about, be prepared for the same in return. (By the way, good luck with that visa application...)

Counselling? I'm not the one having a tanty in the middle of the supermarket 'cos mummy won't let me have a snickers bar.
I struggle to imagine a situation where an 18 year old Kiwi kid in this day and age could feel scared or threatened by the discovery of their parents two Cannabis plants. If Cannabis wasn't illegal the girl wouldn't be a cunt - chew on that one for a while.

There's nothing to chew, no substance whatsoever. It's not the now that we need to consider, it's the previous 18years and how drug use may have impacted her childhood. Again, we have no idea what has happened, could be perfectly mundane or fukn horrific.

[blue rider]

Firstly, it's not that I don't like hearing your beliefs, it's that I struggle to understand you at times which is unique in that I can't think of any others right now who I have the same trouble understanding. Hell, I even understand actungbaby's posts - does that tell you anything? It's almost like at times you try to be cleverer than you really are, maybe it's not that & you're just a bad writer? Considering your spectacular post count it might also be you rather than I who does more of the spouting around here, IYKWIM.

O.K you want to continue drawing parallels between Cannabis "offending" with speeding on the road. One of these two things can be done whilst alone, inside a private residence sitting down in front of telly. The other can obvously only happen whilst being in control of a motor vehicle, presumably on a public road which is populated with other, innocent motorists. These other motorsists may or may not be apparent when one decides to break the posted speed limit but there's a chance they'll be there and they could be harmed. Who is the person smoking a doob on their couch going to harm and what is the value to be had from comparing these offences again?

Consider the Cannabis law reform issue instead perhaps in parallel with the Gay Marriage debate. Both of these things involve the choices made by individuals, often resulting in a betterment in their lives (we all know about the marriage is a life penalty gag) by what they choose to do in the privacy of their own home. It is not for me, you or Te Gubbermint to decide what will ultimately make our lives better. In each situation there are no victims, no damage is caused. Both issues revolve around equality and fairness and rely upon a change in the attitudes and beliefs of our society, many of which have been formed from generations of lies from government and churches. This comparison makes so much more sense to me than comparing the debate at hand to the Traffic Regulations.

Cannabis criminalisation is an interference on the rights of adults who should be free to make a decision about their use of the plant. It is a deliberate interference in the rights of a human being (fuck, I sound like Akzle). The tide is turning and I believe we will see change in this country within my lifetime, Gays will probably be getting married within the next couple of years so who knows.

You can stand by your opinion all you like FJ, whatever knowledge & personal experience it's based on you own it and it's not to be taken away from you. Call me a cunt too for all I care, I seriously don't give a fuck.

can't bling you so I just repost, cause it was so good.

[blue rider]

yes all the answers are in the bible or the law for those who like to be obedient!

[unstuck]

Too stoned to read all of this thread.

[mashman]

yes all the answers are in the bible or the law for those who like to be obedient!

cannot give to you again etc...

[Katman]

Yep, freedom it is....but freedom to do what exactly? Freedom to put others at risk? Freedom to inflict a personality controlled by a lightswitch on others? (speaking from personal experience). Freedom to get as high as you like regardless of the children in your care? Like it or nor not individual freedom's have to be balanced against the effects on the wider community.

Until the anti-cannabis brigade put as much effort into the banning of alcohol as they do for the continuing of cannabis criminalisation then the 'someone think of the children' argument is totally invalid.

[Madness]

Yep, freedom it is....but freedom to do what exactly? Freedom to put others at risk? Freedom to inflict a personality controlled by a lightswitch on others? (speaking from personal experience). Freedom to get as high as you like regardless of the children in your care? Like it or nor not individual freedom's have to be balanced against the effects on the wider community.

Freedom to make a choice as an adult knowing that as with most things in life there are consequences for ones actions. The consequences for being in posession of a plant or being under said plants influence are disproportionate under the current laws. No need to remove the liability for ones actions under any other laws at all, just don't make someone a criminal for having a bud in their pocket. Pretty fucking simple I would have thought. Currently adults are free to ingest alcohol as much as they like, wether they be caring for children at the time or have a "lightswitch" personality. You may not realise this but something like 15% of New Zealand is currently smoking Cannabis already, isn't it incredible that our society hasn't crumbled into a cesspit of depravity already? Oh, that's right it has - must be the Cannabis use

First timer with no history I doubt you'd have a conviction recorded, for the very reasons you mention. Fair? Is it fair to cry foul if you are caught drinking/buying alcohol in Saudi Arabia and receive a public flogging? Is it fair to cry foul when receiving a death sentence for importing drugs into Indonesia? In comparison to some of those policies you could argue that the penalty's in NZ are virtually non-existent. But if everyone knows the consequences how is it unfair? And if the consequences are that severe (even though they aren't in comparison to others), the question has to be asked: why do it? It's your future, if you knowingly choose to put it at risk then be prepared to suck up whatever happens.

Believe it or not, this is KiwiBiker, not SaudiBiker or IndonesianBiker. This discussion is about what's going on in our society, get with the program. I do knowingly choose to put my future at risk, I am culpable for my own actions as an adult and I'm prepared to "suck it up" but it doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

Hmmm, I thought cannabis was supposed to free the mind? So why the limited imagination? Methinks you need to experience a lil' more life and see the law of unintended consequences played out a few times. "Nothing really changes" in your above argument? You don't think the use of cannabis will massively increase without a deterrent? You don't think that the problems associated with it's use (you may be a god while using it but many folks aren't) will also increase proportionally? You don't think mental/physical health services will feel added burden? Short sighted much? So plenty of known and unknown consequences for what benefit? SFA as far as I can see.

It does free the mind. You wrongly assume that I was under the influence of Cannabis when I wrote that post - I was not (very short-sighted of you). Should decriminalisation happen in New Zealand very little will happen, hell Cannabis consumption will probably fall as it has in other countries following law reforms in those countries. Tobacco is bad for you, we all agree on that (I hope) but TPTB have decided to not ban the substance outright and to take other measures including education as it is believed (by experts) that this is the best course of action to reduce consumption & minimise harm. Why then still make criminals out of Cannabis smokers? It's as mad as bat shit.

Why 17 and not 11 for your hypothetical son? It's all good right? But playing the "but what about alcohol?" card is like saying "they're doin' sumthin' stoopid, so I wanna be allowed to do sumthin' stoopid too". Life isn't an episode of "Jackass", although this thread does make me wonder. The inconsistency in your argument is that your gratuitous use of Marmite really only affects you, whereas free use of cannabis (you were talking about freedom, weren't you?) would also affect many (I'm happy to admit not all) families, workmates, and communities. If there was a possibility of there being a net benefit to society then have at it, camp out in the greenhouse and light up the whole crops, I wouldn't give a shit. But doing the math based on my own experience the only major benefits are related to medicinal use for the chronically/terminally ill not wholesale public consumption.

The Marmite thing, as far-fetched as it was, is likely to affect families, workmates and communities as much as Cannabis law reform would. You've obviously bought into the propoganda line of the past 50 years and quite frankly so much damage has been done in this regard I don't have the time to try & fix that for you (I'm going for a ride today).

That's exactly my point, we don't know a fukn thing about the drivers behind what has happened, but until you know why she's done it jumping to any conclusion is exercising your knee instead of your brain. Seems like common sense to me but as they say, it's obviously not that common these days. She may well just be a spitefull, pious bitch......or as a 10year old she may have been paid a bedroom visit by Uncle Frank while mum and dad giggled away on the couch sharing a joint.

You

just

don't

know.

But hey, if you're prepared to judge someone you don't know, in a situation you know nothing about, be prepared for the same in return. There's nothing to chew, no substance whatsoever. It's not the now that we need to consider, it's the previous 18years and how drug use may have impacted her childhood. Again, we have no idea what has happened, could be perfectly mundane or fukn horrific.

So, as Akzle suggested, you're putting it out there that the girl in question may have been sexually abused (who's on drugs again) and as such it makes the illegality of Cannabis fair & reasonable I seriously believe you have presented nothing at all to this discussion that justifies retention of the current Cannabis laws, nothing - not one fucking thing. Nice try though sweetheart.

Counselling? I'm not the one having a tanty in the middle of the supermarket 'cos mummy won't let me have a snickers bar.

Who's having a tanty? Boris hasn't posted for pages now. It's a debate being held all over this fine country of ours every day. More and more "regular people" who consume Cannabis but haven't voiced their opinions previously for fear of reprisals are now starting to speak up. We've had a gutsful and we're not about to shut up any time soon (get used to it). There are more (otherwise) law-abiding citizens in this country who want Cannabis law reform than there are homos who want to get married. The Gay Marriage debate has got there first as it's more palatable for our society, too many narrow-minded people like yourself just aren't ready for the Cannabis discussion but it will happen, soon.

(By the way, good luck with that visa application...)

Again, you seem to be making assumptions about me. I have no convictions, therefore I foresee no problems with any Visa application I may choose to make. It's unlikely I will be doing so, I just love it here so much - must be the people.