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[SMOKEU]

Your opinion is from one who is totally prejudiced and one-eyed biased. You freely denigrate anyone who disagrees with you on any grounds regardless whether they have smoked dope or had any involvement with those who do/have. There is no balance or open-mindedness on your part to consider anything other than that dope is okay and should be legal and any who disagree on any grounds are stupid fools.

He is being entirely open minded and is listening to proven scientific facts, not some myths that the brainwashed sheep believe. It's a real shame this country doesn't have more people like that, as NZ would be a much better place if the government and general population listened to science and reasoning instead of treating old wives tales and unproven speculation as fact.

[onearmedbandit]

If you have to get stoned or drunk to "be part of life" or enjoy life, you are a sad sack with no life at all.

Interesting observation.

[Fergus]

He is being entirely open minded and is listening to proven scientific facts, not some myths that the brainwashed sheep believe. It's a real shame this country doesn't have more people like that, as NZ would be a much better place if the government and general population listened to science and reasoning instead of treating old wives tales and unproven speculation as fact.

Could you provide some links to these "proven scientific facts" please?

[Madness]

You are extremely judgmental as are some others here.

You're the title holder on this site, the rest of us can only aspire to your greatness in this area.

You label and judge the girl without knowing anything at all about her or her family dynamic based purely on your preference for legal, unlimited use of Cannabis. Your opinion is from one who is totally prejudiced and one-eyed biased.

I label and judge the actions of the girl based on the information available and my opinion regarding the illegality and seriousness of Cannabis posession compared to the draconian penalties imposed if caught, both by the courts and large parts of our society. My opinion is formed from my own life experiences, rather than what I have read in a book or observed others doing. Opinions are like arseholes Ed, even you're allowed one. I'm going to take your description of me as being one-eyed biased as a compliment, just as I would if Choppa called me a fast rider.

You freely denigrate anyone who disagrees with you on any grounds regardless whether they have smoked dope or had any involvement with those who do/have. There is no balance or open-mindedness on your part to consider anything other than that dope is okay and should be legal and any who disagree on any grounds are stupid fools.

I'd be happy with decriminisation, it doesn't have to be a free for all and there are certainly solid grounds for restrictions on use, as there is with alcohol and tobacco. As for your perception of denigration, you should join the queue for counselling, it's getting rather long. You yourself consider any who disagree with your ideas on religion as fools so what's the big problem?

As I said, it is entirely your own opinion as to how much affected you are by it and as to what activities you consider yourself safely capable of. Yet you say the Law should be catching real criminals and use such as alcohol and traffic laws as an example. Again, who decides who is capable? You freely judge others as to being criminals or tossers in other situations yet they surely have the same right as you to decide they are not doing any harm or anything dangerous to others. This is hypocrisy.

I never brought the traffic laws into this discussion at all. I have suggested that those and other laws need not change and people who choose to consume Cannabis should still be responsible for their actions under these laws, regardless of the legal status of Cannabis itself. Who decides who is capable of consuming alcohol? The consumer does, that's who. Again, I'll take your accusation of hypocrisy as a compliment in this instance.

Why don't you spend a few nights with the Cops on the beat and the ER's at the hospitals, talk to Drs. and surgeons, Paramedics, you know the one's who KNOW about things first hand?

So Cops, Doctors and Surgeons in hospitals smoke Cannabis - how else would they KNOW first hand? I've got better things to do Ed but thanks for the advice.

I have never smoked dope except second hand.

Finally! So you're spouting from a position of ignorance then. Glad we established that at long last.

It was freely used by workmates on Forestry back in the '70's so I got to experience some of the effects and observe many users.

So all these workmates killed themselves with chainsaws while stoned then?

Smoking anything is bad for your health and dope so obviously affecting users in a negative way, plus being illegal, turned me right off.

You're a bit slow on the uptake eh? You don't have to smoke it to enjoy its benefits. If it weren't illegal I'm guessing you might not have been turned off so much? (By the way, the thought of you being turned on is rather sickening).

I have been in the company of so many over the last 40 years or so who smoke dope that I am happy with my observances and my choices.

I'm really pleased for you Ed. No, really I am.

If you have to get stoned or drunk to "be part of life" or enjoy life, you are a sad sack with no life at all.

I agree entirely, just as I think that if you have to force your beliefs on others or interfere with their freedom to enjoy life the way that they see fit you're a sad fuck also.

[blue rider]

[ducatilover]

I'd be happy with decriminisation, it doesn't have to be a free for all and there are certainly solid grounds for restrictions on use, as there is with alcohol and tobacco.

What would you like to see as restrictions on use with teh wackybaccy?
I think the restrictions on tobacco are going to become quite silly in the near future.

[Madness]

What would you like to see as restrictions on use with teh wackybaccy?

I think it should have an age restriction, obviously, just as with alcohol & tobacco. There should be severe penalties for supplying Cannabis to minors and perhaps a limit on personal posession before you have to go see a Judge. Posessing Cannabis for personal use should be treated as a health issue and dealth with by way of education, rather than persecution. I'd like to be able to grow a few plants each year, in amongst the tomatoes, without fear of being convicted. Currently under the existing laws millions, if not billions of dollars are going to commercial growers as Joe Average is too scared to grow their own. There would be massive benefits economically if even part of this money went into the taxable economy. Licensed distributors could be explored and with this could be an opportunity to create restrictions on packaging to include health warnings and contact information for further education.

I think the restrictions on tobacco are going to become quite silly in the near future.

Parts of the new regime already are and plain packaging is a joke in my opinion.

[blue rider]

What would you like to see as restrictions on use with teh wackybaccy?
I think the restrictions on tobacco are going to become quite silly in the near future.

the Drug Policy used in the Netherlands would be a good start.

however the usage and retail of "la belle Marie Jeanne" could be handled such as alcohol. Only sold in liscensed premises, no entry for under 18 years old, no sale to under 18 years old.

Misuse, ie. driving under the influence could be handled with the same stringend law enforcement currently applied to drink drivers.

Selling to minors and selling above allowed quantities could/should have their lisences removed

Growing of the plant should only be allowed if planted as a companion plant to tomatoes and only 5 plants per person....etc etc etc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_po...he_Netherlands

[Edbear]

You're the title holder on this site, the rest of us can only aspire to your greatness in this area.

I label and judge the actions of the girl based on the information available and my opinion regarding the illegality and seriousness of Cannabis posession compared to the draconian penalties imposed if caught, both by the courts and large parts of our society. My opinion is formed from my own life experiences, rather than what I have read in a book or observed others doing. Opinions are like arseholes Ed, even you're allowed one. I'm going to take your description of me as being one-eyed biased as a compliment, just as I would if Choppa called me a fast rider.

I'd be happy with decriminisation, it doesn't have to be a free for all and there are certainly solid grounds for restrictions on use, as there is with alcohol and tobacco. As for your perception of denigration, you should join the queue for counselling, it's getting rather long. You yourself consider any who disagree with your ideas on religion as fools so what's the big problem?

I never brought the traffic laws into this discussion at all. I have suggested that those and other laws need not change and people who choose to consume Cannabis should still be responsible for their actions under these laws, regardless of the legal status of Cannabis itself. Who decides who is capable of consuming alcohol? The consumer does, that's who. Again, I'll take your accusation of hypocrisy as a compliment in this instance.

So Cops, Doctors and Surgeons in hospitals smoke Cannabis - how else would they KNOW first hand? I've got better things to do Ed but thanks for the advice.

Finally! So you're spouting from a position of ignorance then. Glad we established that at long last.

So all these workmates killed themselves with chainsaws while stoned then?

You're a bit slow on the uptake eh? You don't have to smoke it to enjoy its benefits. If it weren't illegal I'm guessing you might not have been turned off so much? (By the way, the thought of you being turned on is rather sickening).

I'm really pleased for you Ed. No, really I am.

I agree entirely, just as I think that if you have to force your beliefs on others or interfere with their freedom to enjoy life the way that they see fit you're a sad fuck also.

Speaking of spouting from ignorance... "Based on the information available..." let's not try to find out the full story, eh? Might spoil your pet prejudices...

Your response to my suggestion about spending time with those people who are at the coal face, is plain idiotic and you know it. As is your response about the workmates and others I have spent time with. You do your argument no favours at all with such stupid replies.

Please do quote me anywhere I have forced my beliefs on anyone. Oh, you won't will you because you "have better things to do.."

[Madness]

Misuse, ie. driving under the influence could be handled with the same stringend law enforcement currently applied to drink drivers.

To my understanding the accuracy of testing in this area is seriously lacking in terms of being able to determine actual impairment, rather than simply Cannabinoids present in the blood. Drug testing in general in this country is a complete farce for this reason but hopefully advances in science & technology will soon remedy this.

[Madness]

Speaking of spouting from ignorance... "Based on the information available..." let's not try to find out the full story, eh? Might spoil your pet prejudices...

Your response to my suggestion about spending time with those people who are at the coal face, is plain idiotic and you know it. As is your response about the workmates and others I have spent time with. You do your argument no favours at all with such stupid replies.

Please do quote me anywhere I have forced my beliefs on anyone. Oh, you won't will you because you "have better things to do.."

Ed to reply to any of this is a complete waste of time and quite frankly I can't be fucked. It would be like trying to convert you to Islam, it just aint gonna happen. Have a nice day!

[Edbear]

the Drug Policy used in the Netherlands would be a good start.

however the usage and retail of "la belle Marie Jeanne" could be handled such as alcohol. Only sold in liscensed premises, no entry for under 18 years old, no sale to under 18 years old.

Misuse, ie. driving under the influence could be handled with the same stringend law enforcement currently applied to drink drivers.

Selling to minors and selling above allowed quantities could/should have their lisences removed

Growing of the plant should only be allowed if planted as a companion plant to tomatoes and only 5 plants per person....etc etc etc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_po...he_Netherlands

"Stringent law applied to drink drivers.." LoL! You mean the wet bus ticket approach used currently despite adequate punishments available?

[Laava]

Exactly. Decriminalise it and you'll probably find that a lot of current smokers will put a patch in their 1/4 acre section. The price would fall and the crime (real crime like burglary & theft) associated with Cannabis use would eventually disappear. There would be change but I struggle to see the "doomsday effect" happening that slowpoke et al continually put up as an attempt to justify the status quo.

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I kinda agree but also think the dope smokers should just grow their own anyway and the situation would change as a result. It isn't going to change otherwise IMO.
Lotta stoners are to lazy to grow their own to start with.

[Madness]

I kinda agree but also think the dope smokers should just grow their own anyway and the situation would change as a result. It isn't going to change otherwise IMO.
Lotta stoners are to lazy to grow their own to start with.

It's not laziness, it's fear of persecution. Posted from my own personal experience, rather than from Eds book of words.

[Edbear]

Interesting observation.

IMHO, of course...

Ed to reply to any of this is a complete waste of time and quite frankly I can't be fucked. It would be like trying to convert you to Islam, it just aint gonna happen. Have a nice day!

Yup, predictable as Katman with just as lame a post.

I'm having a wonderful day, thanks! You too!