Dobbed in weed-growing parents

[Banditbandit]

I'm also entitled to wind up the idiots by simply refusing too delete the standard sig on my phone.

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And that is exactly why you will always be a pretentious poser ..

[mashman]

Just proves it is all about availability. If dope was as readily available as Alcohol and the "legal highs" it would be the same issue. As I said a long time and many pages ago, for every person who exercises restraint and self control there are a million others who don't. This is why I don't support the legalisation of Cannabis.

If you can't stop people using legislation and you can't afford to police and treat those who "use" (irrespective of usage), then you're going to have to change something. As the people won't change, freedom of choice n all that, then I suggest the next step is to move towards collecting money to police and treat as well as educating people and potentially keeping them away from more harmful substance. Current policy hasn't worked. Let's try something a little less repressive given its widespread use. Let's do a Portugal, well one better, and deal with it instead of sweeping it underground.

[mashman]

I am all cunt no orgasm

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[Edbear]

Or maybe its to do with people treating unsafe, untested legal drugs in the same fashion as tested and well known marijuana, the places where it is legal have not seen these problems, also marijuana is quite available if you look in the right places and is quite prevalent (atleast 75% of those I know under 40 years old use it, even occasionally)

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No they have the same issue with alcohol as well. Cannabis is well tested and well known, yes, and it's effects are also well known and it is not an innocuous, harmless drug as much as you would like to claim it is.

[Edbear]

If you can't stop people using legislation and you can't afford to police and treat those who "use" (irrespective of usage), then you're going to have to change something. As the people won't change, freedom of choice n all that, then I suggest the next step is to move towards collecting money to police and treat as well as educating people and potentially keeping them away from more harmful substance. Current policy hasn't worked. Let's try something a little less repressive given its widespread use. Let's do a Portugal, well one better, and deal with it instead of sweeping it underground.

What makes you think it will work any better than it does with alcohol abuse? Millions of dollars are spent trying to combat alcohol related problems, including raising taxes on it and that doesn't seem to be doing a lot.

[SMOKEU]

If dope was as readily available as Alcohol and the "legal highs" it would be the same issue.

Synthetic cannabis products commonly available in NZ generally affect the body and mind in a much different way than normal weed. I have witnessed several dope smokers who can handle a few tokes of pot just fine, but once they are under the influence of these synthetic cannabis products there is a huge difference in their behaviour compared to smoking normal weed.

Many of these synthetic cannabis products are dangerous and personally I don't smoke that crap since I have no idea what's in it or where it comes from (other than a factory somewhere in China).

Cannabis is well tested and well known, yes, and it's effects are also well known and it is not an innocuous, harmless drug as much as you would like to claim it is.

Cannabis is harmless when you compare it to many "drugs" that are readily available in supermarkets. Try overdosing on nutmeg or poppy seed tea.

[Madness]

Time for a nap yet Ed?, if you know what I mean.

[Mushu]

Time for a nap yet Ed?, if you know what I mean.

Ed doesn't need a nap, he's all hoped up on painkillers and hypocracy again

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[Banditbandit]

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"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to mashman again."

[Mushu]

What makes you think it will work any better than it does with alcohol abuse? Millions of dollars are spent trying to combat alcohol related problems, including raising taxes on it and that doesn't seem to be doing a lot.

nobody ever said weed doesn't have an effect, and we'll even agree that it can lead to problems like cancer, but do some research and find out what happens when you make alcohol illegal, when somethings illegal it can't be controlled, taxed or subject to standardization.

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[Katman]

Just proves it is all about availability. If dope was as readily available as Alcohol and the "legal highs" it would be the same issue. As I said a long time and many pages ago, for every person who exercises restraint and self control there are a million others who don't. This is why I don't support the legalisation of Cannabis.

It most certainly is readily available Ed.

I'd hazard a guess that if it was not a criminal offense to use cannabis there would be virtually no market for the 'legal highs' that are so prevalent (and are causing harm that won't be fully known about for some time yet to come).

And no-one is asking for the legalisation of cannabis. As far as I'm aware, all that's being called for is the decriminalisation of it.

[Madness]

And no-one is asking for the legalisation of cannabis. As far as I'm aware, all that's being called for is the decriminalisation of it.

Please don't ask Ed to understand the complex differences between legalisation & decriminalisation, you know his faculties are somewhat impeded.

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Need a hand with that?

And we have a taker...

[blackdog]

And we have a taker...

And here was me thinking he was a giver.

[mashman]

What makes you think it will work any better than it does with alcohol abuse? Millions of dollars are spent trying to combat alcohol related problems, including raising taxes on it and that doesn't seem to be doing a lot.

You can always threaten to take the "right" away again. Perhaps there will be less who will abuse it, in fact there may be more who turn to mj and away from booze to get their high. Something that I reckon TPTB are more than aware of and why we have the status quo. And what alcohol prevention methods are there Ed? Pamphlets? Advertising? You are assuming that there will be an orgy of drug taking if it is made legal. I don't think that will be the case. I could be wrong, but evidence from Portugal and given the fact that mj is readily available should you want it would lead me to believe that it won't be anywhere near as bad. If you're willing to waste millions of $ of locking people up for the offences, policing the offences and dealing with the offences in hospital even though it's illegal. Then why not waste million of $ dealing with the issues and not turning people into criminals at the same time. At some point we're going to have to give people their personal responsibility back from those who just say that we can't. I think mj is a perfect candidate for a start.