The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[HenryDorsetCase]

Central control was also practised by the Fascist (right wing) Government of Mussilini's Italy - by the military junta (right wing) in Cambodia ...

It can also be known as a "planned economy" .. and I'm pretty sure that we have had one of those in the passed ... dare I mention Muldoon ???

We (Godzone that is) actually run a mixed model - some planned and controlled some free market ... do you seriously want to do away with ALL the planned part of our economy ??? Are you sure you can survive that ??? What have you got to sell to help you survive ???

unregulated free market bought us the GFC. That went well. Lets do it again with some essential services. Make sure its coming into winter, that'll fix the proles.

[BoristheBiter]

unregulated free market bought us the GFC. That went well. Lets do it again with some essential services. Make sure its coming into winter, that'll fix the proles.

WTF are you on? how do you go from the GFC to a power company being partial sold off?

[Winston001]

But give me a positive reason to vote FOR National ... not just they are the best ofthe worst ... of the other lot wil be worse ...

What has National achieved ???

Hmm..don't know how I missed this thread: mainly cos I think Tim has a point about state surveilance and trusted him to argue it. As he has.

Sooo...why would you vote National? Hate to say it but they are the best of a bad bunch.

Generally I respect all politicians whether on the local council or in parliament. It is hard frustrating and difficult work. There is always somebody who will abuse you and worse still, abuse your children. That is not a price I'm prepared to pay.

In my experience the candidates for party lists and national elections are genuine well intentioned people, but people with a fervent one-eyed perspective. That is acceptable because we need committed politicians.

However they tend to be second string. MPs like John Key who are self sufficient and stand because of personal belief are rare. Laile Harre, Jim Anderton, and Philip Burdon are other examples.

This is a generalisation but Labour and Green members of parliament tend to be academics who have never been in the cruel world of trying to run a corner dairy or being a plumber. They mean well but their life experience is sheltered.

[Brian d marge]

if the two main parties are similar. One has to ask the question , why?

could it be that "treasury " is actually calling the shots . ( and in the main using the bank standards as a reference , it has been , historically a fiscally responsible treasury )

then the question has to be asked, why are the treasury following such a path? line of reasoning ?

Stephen

meanwhile on the internet

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...-+All+content)

[oldrider]

New Zealand is a negative country ... we vote governments out ... we never vote governments in!

The majority of the electorate only know what they don't want after they get sick of it!

[Ocean1]

This is a generalisation but Labour and Green members of parliament tend to be academics who have never been in the cruel world of trying to run a corner dairy or being a plumber. They mean well but their life experience is sheltered.

Ain't that the truth, most of the rabid left I've met have no idea where the actual resources come from to drive the economy.

could it be that "treasury " is actually calling the shots .

No. Check who dictates the rules, it ain't them. It's not even a valid conspiracy theory.

New Zealand is a negative country ...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/we...in-world-study

The majority of the electorate only know what they don't want after they get sick of it!

That's not quite fair, most of them vote on two or three core policies, they get reamed by all of the attendant detail that comes with them.

[Oscar]

if the two main parties are similar. One has to ask the question , why?

could it be that "treasury " is actually calling the shots . ( and in the main using the bank standards as a reference , it has been , historically a fiscally responsible treasury )

then the question has to be asked, why are the treasury following such a path? line of reasoning ?

Stephen

meanwhile on the internet

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2...-+All+content)

Similar?
One side is advocating the centralised purchase of electricity.
The other the privatisation of the same industry.
In the meantime the treasury is having to figure out how it cope with the economic downside of both paths.
You should take of your tinfoil cap and catch up - this was your dumbest post yet.

[oneofsix]

Similar?
One side is advocating the centralised purchase of electricity.
The other the privatisation of the same industry.
In the meantime the treasury is having to figure out how it cope with the economic downside of both paths.
You should take of your tinfoil cap and catch up - this was your dumbest post yet.

umm personal attacks. Is someone losing their rag? Does seem they missed the point but that would most likely be because it would challenge their thinking - what a debate is meant to do.

[Oscar]

umm personal attacks. Is someone losing their rag? Does seem they missed the point but that would most likely be because it would challenge their thinking - what a debate is meant to do.

Personal attacks?
Here?
Quelle horreur!

Go back and read his posts - in the clear light of evidence to the contrary he and his droogs are still crapping on about how both parties are the same and policy is controlled by Treasury. At the moment there couldn't be a clearer difference between National and Labour/Greens and the Treasury is having conniption fits about the fall out from both ill advised policies.

Maybe it is debate the first time, but it's just stupid (or dumb), the tenth time.

[HenryDorsetCase]

WTF are you on? how do you go from the GFC to a power company being partial sold off?

unregulated free market economics, son.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ain't that the truth, most of the rabid left I've met have no idea where the actual resources come from to drive the economy.

squeeze a few cows, sell a bit of milk powder, what could go wrong with that?

Though *those* people seem to think that being a middle manager, a teacher, or union delegate does something useful for the economy......









heh heh

[Scuba_Steve]

Personal attacks?
Here?
Quelle horreur!

Go back and read his posts - in the clear light of evidence to the contrary he and his droogs are still crapping on about how both parties are the same and policy is controlled by Treasury. At the moment there couldn't be a clearer difference between National and Labour/Greens and the Treasury is having conniption fits about the fall out from both ill advised policies.

Maybe it is debate the first time, but it's just stupid (or dumb), the tenth time.

Well I'm not sure about the treasury & that, but he is right in that both parties are the same.
Both parties will fuck over NZ for personal gain, neither party is interested in what's best for NZ, Both parties will kill NZ

[HenryDorsetCase]

umm personal attacks. Is someone losing their rag? Does seem they missed the point but that would most likely be because it would challenge their thinking - what a debate is meant to do.

He started it. Plus his dad could beat up your dad any day.

[Oscar]

unregulated free market economics, son.

Firstly, a proper free market would have MRP sold off in its entirety.
It would make a whole lot more money that way, so maybe you are drawing a long bow.

Notwithstanding that, the GFC was caused by sub-prime mortgages and dodgey banking practices in the US. Whilst these are obviously a part of what you call free market economics, none of these factors are, or have ever been present in this part of the world.

So whereas as blaming something on unregulated free market economics does make you look learned to the uninitiated, and calling someone "Son" is undoubtedly an effort to seem old & wise, what you siad boils down to more tired propaganda...

[Oscar]

He started it. Plus his dad could beat up your dad any day.

My dad is dead.
However, I'm sure my 74 year old Mum would be up to the task.