ANZACs and war and stuff

[Katman]

The Joint Chiefs of Staff are not the Govt.

The Department of Defense most certainly is though.

And this quote from Wikipedia would suggest that the Joint Chiefs of Staff are part of the DoD.

'The Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) is a body of senior uniformed leaders in the Department of Defense who advise the Secretary of Defense, the Homeland Security Council, the National Security Council and the President on military matters'.

[Edbear]

Are you suggesting the outer walls were not a web of steel?

For the columns that comprised the walls, a mixture of 12 different types of steel with yield points between 42,000 pound per square inch (psi) and 100,000 psi were used, while the interior columns consisted of a steel known as A36, a designation which meant it had a yield strength of 36,000 psi. The thickness of these columns also varied -- from as thin as 0.25 inch (6.35 millimeters) at the top of the building to as thick as 4 inches (10.16 centimeters) at the base [source: FEMA]. In all, 200,000 tons of super-strong steel (which had just recently become available in 1968) were used to create the two towers [source: Gayle].
Just inside the walls, at approximately 10,000 locations throughout each tower, visco elastic dampers were installed [source: FEMA]. These were basically large shock absorbers that could bend with wind pressure and then return to their original form. Because the towers were designed to sway and adjust in the wind, these dampers helped reduce the impact of this movement on occupants. It was the first time this technology had ever been used in a high-rise [source: FEMA].
The floors that flowed between the supporting walls and interior columns were made from 0.5 inch (1.27 centimeter) thick steel slabs covered in 4 inches (10.2 centimeters) of lightweight concrete.
Overall, 425,000 cubic yards (324935.8 cubic meters) of concrete were poured

And the vidoes of the planes hitting the towers..? The fact that recently they found another part of a plane jammed between two buildings? The fact that enough of the plane that hit the Pentagomn survived to identify it and the reports from paramedics and others actually there and involved, (with pictures), of the body parts, pieces of uniforms and other clothing, that prove it was a 757?

Oh, that's right, only the conspiracy theorists are telling the truth, eh?

[Madness]

Haven't you cunts got jobs to do? (Except you Ed, we know while posting on KB you're technically "working")

[Edbear]

The Department of Defense most certainly is though.

And this quote from Wikipedia would suggest that the Joint Chiefs of Staff are part of the DoD.

'The Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) is a body of senior uniformed leaders in the Department of Defense who advise the Secretary of Defense, the Homeland Security Council, the National Security Council and the President on military matters'.

Sigh... See posts 234, 236 and this bit of my previous post...

"If you read the plan in its entirety, nowhere did it call for innocent people to be harmed. James Bamford claimed it did, but I cannot find any actual reference to that in the actual documents beyond outling the possible risk in engaging such tactics on the streets."

As usual you simply ignore anything relevant in your lame attempts to convince anyone you have a point.

[Katman]

If you read the plan in its entirety, nowhere did it call for innocent people to be harmed.

I think you should read up on it a little more Ed.

The proposals most certainly did have the potential to cause loss of life.

[Edbear]

Haven't you cunts got jobs to do? (Except you Ed, we know while posting on KB you're technically "working")

There are certain benefits to working from home and being your own boss...

[Edbear]

I think you should read up on it a little more Ed.

The proposals most certainly did have the potential to cause loss of life.

I give up on you.

"...I cannot find any actual reference to that in the actual documents beyond outling the possible risk in engaging such tactics on the streets."

[Hinny]

Your post was so way off the planet as to show you clearly either are totally ignorant of the whole issue/event or you are simply stirring.

You will find all the answers in this thread. But of course if you are serious, you will be far too stupid to read or comprehend anything.

Your arrogance appears to be only exceeded by your ignorance.

What part of my post is off the planet?
I have read plenty and the answers do not exist.

What is wrong with asking to see the proof that is available of what caused the destruction at the Pentagon?
Why release only 6 frames that show nothing?
How does an Aluminium plane go through 6 or 8 sides of a building leaving a neat round hole?
Why did the engines burn up in the resulting fire? -at a temperature much lower than they would experience during normal operation. That official line doesn't make sense does it?


How did 200,000 tons of super strong steel turn to dust?
How does an Aluminium plane go through a structure like that? It wasn't flying through a curtain wall of glass you know. At the point of impact it was a web of steel as thick as the armour plating on a tank. Internal supports more than twice that thickness.

Got any answers for that?

[bogan]

I give up on you.

"...I cannot find any actual reference to that in the actual documents beyond outling the possible risk in engaging such tactics on the streets."

Any you don't think it is possible that when releasing documents outling a plan for domestic terrorism, the government might have taken some parts out? Naive much?

[Hinny]

Ignorance is bliss, doncha know..?

Why study or research, it spoils your favourite lines..?

You could get out of your happy place by doing some study or research Ed. but perhaps you are better off where you are.

[Katman]

I give up on you.

"...I cannot find any actual reference to that in the actual documents beyond outling the possible risk in engaging such tactics on the streets."

6. Use of MIG type aircraft by U.S. pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping and destruction of U.S. military drone aircraft by MIG type planes would be useful as complementary actions. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce such fact. The primary drawback to this suggestion appears to be the security risk inherent in obtaining or modifying an aircraft. However, reasonable copies of the MIG could be produced from U.S. resources in about three months.

7. Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft should appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the government of Cuba. Concurrently, genuine defections of Cuban civil and military air and surface craft should be encouraged.



Sure sounds like risky business Ed.

[jonbuoy]

We don't, according to many, know that planes hit the buildings.
One has to suspend belief in all we have learnt to imagine that an Aluminium plane could penetrate the outer web of steel, go through the building taking out 20% of the internal supporting structure and come out the through the other web of steel largely intact!

You do have to ask why the secrecy?- why the cover up?

Certainly the missile theories concerning the destruction at the Pentagon could be silenced by simply showing all of the video of an aeroplane hitting the building not just 5 or 6 frames which explain nothing. Isn't that reasonable, sensible, logical?

There have been plenty of theories proposed.
There are plenty theories attempting to debunk the former.
All of the debunking theories have in turn been debunked as far as I am aware. - Most it seems needed one to suspend belief in the laws of physics.

Here is a question for the 'Believers': how did thousands of tons of steel turn into dust?
Remember these were mostly steel buildings; not just steel reinforced concrete.
Pancake theory (the official line) certainly doesn't explain that situation.

Erm you do know that's a heavily populated area and hundreds if not thousands were watching outside when some of the planes hit? Either al queda or the government brought down those towers. Doing it with explosives or planes either way the towers were destroyed - are we all agreed on that?

[Katman]

James Bamford claimed it did, but I cannot find any actual reference to that in the actual documents beyond outling the possible risk in engaging such tactics on the streets.

James Bamford also said this....

"Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war".

[Hinny]

What is worrying is that our Govt has now let our equivalent loose amongst its own citizens. The CIA not being normally "allowed" to operate within the USA ...

According to Jessie Ventura that has changed in the US now with the CIA embedded in all State govts.

[Hinny]

the towers were destroyed - are we all agreed on that?

That raises a big question.
How could they be so comprehensively destroyed?
200,000 tons of super strength steel turned to dust.
All the office furniture etc. Refrigerators, filing cabinets, steel chairs, and all the people - 'vapourised' (911 Commission report) - turned to dust.
Save for part of the lower corners of each building.

This question hasn't been answered.

Why will the Govt. not answer any questions about the destruction of the towers? 12 years down the track - still no answers.