ANZACs and war and stuff

[SPman]

Funny how nobody on KB belongs to these cowed, fearful, ignorant masses that are mind controlled by this shadowy group manipulating the politicians... It's only the conspiracy theorists who are wide awake taking note and endeavouring to keep us safe from these powerful behind the scenes manipulators. Everyone else is a blind, malleable and easily lead supporter of their respective governments.

I was more referring to the local msm and events in NZ - like the latest GCSB report by Neazor "the law's so opaque it's open to interpretation" - dutifully reported as such by TV etc! The law surrounding the GCSB is most certainly not “opaque”. It's fairly straight forward to anyone with a primary school grasp of the Queen’s English.
The only people who’ve been seriously promoting the meme that the Act is somehow “vague” or “unclear” are the Prime Minister – not exactly noted for being 100% honest with the public – and his appointed minion, GCSB Director, Ian Fletcher.

But - because it's presented as such on TV, radio and the papers, there are large numbers of people who will believe this as gospel truth - "because the TV said so"!

The fact that people are on forums talking about stuff, and that includes KB, is an indication that they at least may be open to alternative views and perspectives - even the died in the wool trolls and those who are of a particular mind set. But such people are a distinct minority.
The majority who have only the msm as their news source and are content with that are more easily manipulated - and cowed and fearful! Diets of terror attacks/crime/home invasion headlines actually do have that effect on a lot of people - particularly useful if you consider the fact that 2/3rd's of people will believe, or at least obey, a person or organisation they consider to be in authority over them. The Milgram experiments, (http://www.simplypsychology.org/milgram.html), and many since have shown that most people are programmed to obey authority, even against their own consciences. Very simple - dehumanise, minimise, denigrate the opposition - convince the majority that what they are saying/believe/are doing, is somehow contrary to their own interests (even if they aren't), convince the population that they are others, not really part of "their" society - reduce them to non beings. That makes it far easier to then turn "others" into criminals, deluded crackpots, conspiracy theorists, ...enemies! Then, if "authority" gives the order, the bulk of main society will quite happily turn against them to the point of extermination, if required, despite what their conscience is telling them!

[Laava]

This thread is like the old"Did we land on the moon" thread. There is no way that anyone can prove anything. The US govt doesn't have to and the conspiracy theorists can't. Exactly the same as NASA can't prove, and don't attempt to, that they walked on the moon.
overdue for PD I reckon.

[Katman]

overdue for PD I reckon.

What a typical response from those who can't handle open discussion.

Are you sure you and Ed aren't related?

[scumdog]

What a typical response from those who can't handle open discussion.

Of course 'open discussion' interpretation is open to discussion...eh...

[Edbear]

Are you ignoring or blithly dismissing the link?

As I said several times, I have seen virtually every video and interview including that one and it is crap. But as I also said, you keep on proving me right about you every day...

The links I posted are verifiable and irrefutable, but of course you have to have at least one brain cell to see that.

[Edbear]

This thread is like the old"Did we land on the moon" thread. There is no way that anyone can prove anything. The US govt doesn't have to and the conspiracy theorists can't. Exactly the same as NASA can't prove, and don't attempt to, that they walked on the moon.
overdue for PD I reckon.

The links I posted above are proof.

The conspiracy theorists are full of crap and are very obviously wrong. Maybe the thread does now belong in PD, but that is up to KB management to decide if it has become pointless or not.

[Katman]

The links I posted are verifiable and irrefutable, but of course you have to have at least one brain cell to see that.

Really Ed?

The only link you posted that made any effort to verify the validity of it was the first one written by Ramon Gilsanz.

Did you notice that Ramon Gilsanz worked closely with FEMA and NIST (two government agencies) following 9/11?

Not exactly what I'd call an impartial opinion.

[Drew]

I'm sure there's a great number of honest politicians around the world who would take great offense to that suggestion.

Actually I think 99% of politicians are honest when they start out! My points still valid - governments are usually reasonably straight up - even when they aren't. Corporations on the other hand owe no loyalty to any country.

I'd say more than 99% start out with nothing but the purest of motives. It isn't an environment that allows those people to get to the top without giving in to other things though, in my opinion. So when they get to the top, they literally don't remember the principles they stood for to get started. But they still believe in what they're doing.

Corporate world? People go down that road in the pursuit of serving themselves. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, until they start misleading people to that end.

Anything he's said in this thread

You are letting whatever problems you have with Katman, cloud everything you say. Trying to debate emotionally is like masturbating with a cheese greater man, slightly amusing, but mostly painful!

[Oscar]

This thread is like the old"Did we land on the moon" thread. There is no way that anyone can prove anything. The US govt doesn't have to and the conspiracy theorists can't. Exactly the same as NASA can't prove, and don't attempt to, that they walked on the moon.
overdue for PD I reckon.

You can prove that they went to the moon.
The last mission left a lazer reflector behind.
If you know where it is, you can bounce a lazer off it.

[Edbear]

I was more referring to the local msm and events in NZ - like the latest GCSB report by Neazor "[I]the law's so opaque it's open to ...big snip... Then, if "authority" gives the order, the bulk of main society will quite happily turn against them to the point of extermination, if required, despite what their conscience is telling them!

Unfortunately you are right about the media and its influence. Too many are willing to believe that if it's on TV it must be true. Even many KB'rs fall into this trap with knee-jerk reactions that fall over once the full story comes out.

I'd say more than 99% start out with nothing but the purest of motives. It isn't an environment that allows those people to get to the top without giving in to other things though, in my opinion. So when they get to the top, they literally don't remember the principles they stood for to get started. But they still believe in what they're doing.

Corporate world? People go down that road in the pursuit of serving themselves. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, until they start misleading people to that end.

You are letting whatever problems you have with Katman, cloud everything you say. Trying to debate emotionally is like masturbating with a cheese greater man, slightly amusing, but mostly painful!

Yeah, pretty much right too, IMHO.

Re: Katman, I guess I should go back to ingoring him, he's proved me right so many times it can now be a given.

[Edbear]

You can prove that they went to the moon.
The last mission left a lazer reflector behind.
If you know where it is, you can bounce a lazer off it.

The conspiracy theorists would just say it's a natural rock formation or something.

There is enough evidence by now that as with 9/11 it can't be argued with except by the totally moronic.

[Katman]

Unfortunately you are right about the media and its influence. Too many are willing to believe that if it's on TV it must be true. Even many KB'rs fall into this trap with knee-jerk reactions that fall over once the full story comes out.

Those words might just come back to haunt you one day Ed.

[Akzle]

Really? how did the 400 odd die then?

400... out of 4000? those are fucking betting odds my man, whereas 3999 out of 4000 non-jews died, innit?

Hmmm..well they failed here.

yes, because NZ society is apathetic and sometimes, frankly stupid. *tsunami warning*...: "lets go down to the beach to watch"

Funny how nobody on KB belongs to these cowed, fearful, ignorant masses that are mind controlled by this shadowy group manipulating the politicians... It's only the conspiracy theorists who are wide awake taking note and endeavouring to keep us safe from these powerful behind the scenes manipulators. Everyone else is a blind, malleable and easily lead supporter of their respective governments.

you cerainly know yourself, ed. that's a lot of adjectives.

l - you name it these guys have hoodwinked billions with their claims over the decades. Deaths at 911 was a drop in the bucket compared to any one of those examples and it was mostly done in full view and for money alone....

Government? Nah - those guys are safe as houses compared to the big corporations

i'm not trying to save any nigger from anything. afaiac you probably deserve what you get.

You can prove that they went to the moon.
The last mission left a lazer reflector behind.
If you know where it is, you can bounce a lazer off it.

nononno.. new legislation - you're not allowed a laser without lawful and sufficient reason. or scum puppy will come and fuck your ass.

do what you're told, plebian.

[Katman]

Re: Katman, I guess I should go back to ingoring him,

Fuck Ed, I don't know what ingoring is but it sounds scary.

[Drew]

nononno.. new legislation - you're not allowed a laser without lawful and sufficient reason. or scum puppy will come and fuck your ass.

Wait, that's all it takes to get a date with Scummy?

Cheeper than dinner and a movie, I'll bare it mind.