MNZ voting results - where, who, how many?

[Drew]

I'm reminded of the baseball "world series"...Where no team from any other country is invited to play.

It's a name, if someone want's to call it a national championship they can I would think.

"Shoutout national supermoto championship", is a name only. I don't think MNZ could legally use that to deny a permit if all conditions for said permit are adhered to.

But I'm no lawyer.

[Billy]

I'm reminded of the baseball "world series"...Where no team from any other country is invited to play.

It's a name, if someone want's to call it a national championship they can I would think.

"Shoutout national supermoto championship", is a name only. I don't think MNZ could legally use that to deny a permit if all conditions for said permit are adhered to.

But I'm no lawyer.

Time for you to read the rules,Me thinks,There are certain protocols that need to be followed for National events,They are put in place to make it fair for everybody wishing to compete at such meetings,IE A reasonable amount of time has to allowed for people from all over the country to arrange travel,Accomodation etc,Otherwise you only get those within a close proximity or with substantial funding attend,Hardly a fair National event.

[Drew]

Time for you to read the rules,Me thinks,There are certain protocols that need to be followed for National events,They are put in place to make it fair for everybody wishing to compete at such meetings,IE A reasonable amount of time has to allowed for people from all over the country to arrange travel,Accomodation etc,Otherwise you only get those within a close proximity or with substantial funding attend,Hardly a fair National event.

I'm not suggesting MNZ have to post the results, and recognise it as the national standings. Just that they can call the event whatever they like.

[Billy]

I'm not suggesting MNZ have to post the results, and recognise it as the national standings. Just that they can call the event whatever they like.

Not if they run under an MNZ permit.

[jellywrestler]

I'm not suggesting MNZ have to post the results, and recognise it as the national standings. Just that they can call the event whatever they like.

takes the respect out of an event if anyone can call it anything they like really.
it's a bit like being the tallest dwarf isn't it!

[Drew]

takes the respect out of an event if anyone can call it anything they like really.
it's a bit like being the tallest dwarf isn't it!

Tall dwarves get ostricised by their little community I'm told.

[Drew]

Not if they run under an MNZ permit.

Sweet as. I'm not likely to ever try and organise an event, so it doesn't effect me much.

[jellywrestler]

Tall dwarves get ostricised by their little community I'm told.

yes I heard you were told to move on...

[Drew]

yes I heard you were told to move on...

I wasn't happy...

[jasonu]

Agreed in both cases,But the facts are,It will not be recognised internationally and therefore carries no real recognition,

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Recognised (or not) internationally by who exactly?
Is there really anyone or organization outside of NZ that actually cares enough (ie to give a shit) about NZ motorcycle competition to recognize or not recognize the events held and the results?
I'm not attempting to belittle or marginalize NZ motorcycling, just wondering who you might be referring to.

[Deano]

I wasn't happy...

Were you Grumpy then ? Dopey ?

[Billy]

Recognised (or not) internationally by who exactly?
Is there really anyone or organization outside of NZ that actually cares enough (ie to give a shit) about NZ motorcycle competition to recognize or not recognize the events held and the results?
I'm not attempting to belittle or marginalize NZ motorcycling, just wondering who you might be referring to.

Anybody who's only competing with in NZ would maybe not care,If however they were hoping to compete overseas the "National" Title they had won would be worthless,Not all will care obviously,But surely it is only fair that everybody knows the truth up front

[quickbuck]

Anybody who's only competing with in NZ would maybe not care,If however they were hoping to compete overseas the "National" Title they had won would be worthless,Not all will care obviously,But surely it is only fair that everybody knows the truth up front

That is Game, Set, and Match right there..........

On one hand we are going on about how little NZ Motorcycle racers are not recognised on the world stage, and find it hard to get a break, then on the other we are wanting to call all sorts of events a national event.....

Yup, if the title is a joke, then the spotters over seas are not even going to look....

That said, I must say the young guns we have in Europe at the moment are doing us proud.

[Shorty_925]

I remember reading an article about this and was surpsied about it:

http://iamspecialized.com/motorsport...davide-gozzini

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davide_Gozzini

NZ Supermoto championship was the Tri Series in '08 and '09?

[wharfy]

Wouldn't it be easier just to flip a coin? Couse you'd get the same result as forcing people to vote.

I didn't vote this year, as after 5 or 6 years with a licence, I still wouldn't know the face of Jim or others. (Ok I know Billy's face, - but I try and Block that out as much as I can...)

I don't know what they've done. I don't know what they stand for in the future.
Maybe not their fault, as I don't/can't get to high profile events. (Just a club racer).
Can't get to AGM's (tho I'd like to be a part of that - would certainly watch if they were streamed online.)

In the past, I had voted for somebody because someone I Did know, said the were good.

So to force me to vote - would just be a random click of a button. And over the entire process it would be a result of, - how many Random clicks for This guy, over That guy.

My thoughts are, if only 10% of all licence hold really know what's going on in the sport, then maybe a vote by just that 10% would be better for All, than 100% of members just clicking random buttons.

(This post is meant to be Helpful, - and give food for thought)

Racey

I agree Racey, forcing people to vote is wrong.
Having said that I certainly encourage every licence holder to vote. If your not sure do some homework, ask the opinion of people who's judgement you trust what they think, read the MNZ reports, go to some of your clubs meetings, read their reports, ask your club committee what the issues facing the club are. And dare I say it trawl Kiwibiker