ANZACs and war and stuff

[Hinny]

Poor buggers.

Not long before 911 Donald Rumsfeld was saying the defence dept. couldn't account for 2.3 Trillion dollars. That's 2.3 football fields of pallets of $100 bills - stacked two high!
Well the investigation into that came to nought with the destruction of WTC7.
Now the US is going cap in hand to the rest of the world to feed its people.
Can't imagine you would get to be a supersized yank on 12.5 cents per meal.

[Katman]

Not long before 911 Donald Rumsfeld was saying the defence dept. couldn't account for 2.3 Trillion dollars. That's 2.3 football fields of pallets of $100 bills - stacked two high!
Well the investigation into that came to nought with the destruction of WTC7.

That was convenient, wasn't it?

[Oscar]

Not long before 911 Donald Rumsfeld was saying the defence dept. couldn't account for 2.3 Trillion dollars. That's 2.3 football fields of pallets of $100 bills - stacked two high!
Well the investigation into that came to nought with the destruction of WTC7.
Now the US is going cap in hand to the rest of the world to feed its people.
Can't imagine you would get to be a supersized yank on 12.5 cents per meal.

Nuthin like taking a small grain of truth and making it fit your half arsed conspiracy.
The only thing that is correct is that the DoD couldn't account for that figure and their accounting problems had been public knowledge since 1996.

That particular amount wasn't hidden, and whereas Rumsfeld may have mentioned it the day before 9/11, it was announced as early as March 2000:

Pentagon's finances in disarray

By JOHN M. DONNELLY The Associated Press 03/03/00 5:44 PM Eastern

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The military's money managers last year made almost $7 trillion in adjustments to their financial ledgers in an attempt to make them add up, the Pentagon's inspector general said in a report released Friday.

The Pentagon could not show receipts for $2.3 trillion of those changes, and half a trillion dollars of it was just corrections of mistakes made in earlier adjustments.

As for the cover-up, the DoD was putting out press releases after 9/11:

Zakheim Seeks To Corral, Reconcile 'Lost' Spending
By Gerry J. Gilmore
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Feb. 20, 2002 -- As part of military transformation efforts, DoD Comptroller Dov S. Zakheim and his posse of accountants are riding the Pentagon's financial paper trail, seeking to corral billions of dollars in so-called "lost" expenditures.

For years, DoD and congressional officials have sought to reconcile defense financial documents to determine where billions in expenditures have gone. That money didn't fall down a hole, but is simply waiting to be accounted for, Zakheim said in a Feb. 14 interview with the American Forces Information Service. Complicating matters, he said, is that DoD has 674 different computerized accounting, logistics and personnel systems.

Most of the 674 systems "don't talk to one another unless somebody 'translates,'" he remarked. This situation, he added, makes it hard to reconcile financial data.

Billions of dollars of DoD taxpayer-provided money haven't disappeared, Zakheim said. "Missing" expenditures are often reconciled a bit later in the same way people balance their checkbooks every month. The bank closes out a month and sends its bank statement, he said. In the meanwhile, people write more checks, and so they have to reconcile their checkbook register and the statement.

DoD financial experts, Zakheim said, are making good progress reconciling the department's "lost" expenditures, trimming them from a prior estimated total of $2.3 trillion to $700 billion. And, he added, the amount continues to drop.

This site should have a sub-forum named - sucker for a good conspiracy

[scumdog]

Nuthin like taking a small grain of truth and making it fit your half arsed conspiracy.
The only thing that is correct is that the DoD couldn't account for that figure and their accounting problems had been public knowledge since 1996.

That particular amount wasn't hidden, and whereas Rumsfeld may have mentioned it the day before 9/11, it was announced as early as March 2000:



As for the cover-up, the DoD was putting out press releases after 9/11:



This site should have a sub-forum named - sucker for a good conspiracy

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[Katman]

An interesting article.

http://rockcreekfreepress.tumblr.com...92999/flt77fdr

[Hinny]

Nuthin like taking a small grain of truth and making it fit your half arsed conspiracy.
The only thing that is correct is that the DoD couldn't account for that figure and their accounting problems had been public knowledge since 1996.

That particular amount wasn't hidden, and whereas Rumsfeld may have mentioned it the day before 9/11, it was announced as early as March 2000:



As for the cover-up, the DoD was putting out press releases after 9/11:



This site should have a sub-forum named - sucker for a good conspiracy

It does give a good idea of the money being churned over in the name of 'defence'.
2.3 trillion in the pipeline awaiting balancing of the cheque book. Yeah right.
Anyway, don't you agree that money could be better spent?
Educating their people might be a good start.

[Oscar]

An interesting article.

http://rockcreekfreepress.tumblr.com...92999/flt77fdr

Not really.

The FDR contained data not only for flight 77, but also for the 11 previous flights.
In 41 hours of data, the parameter never changed from '0'. It seems unlikely, although not impossible, that the cockpit door wasn't opened once during any of this time.

[Oscar]

It does give a good idea of the money being churned over in the name of 'defence'.
2.3 trillion in the pipeline awaiting balancing of the cheque book. Yeah right.
Anyway, don't you agree that money could be better spent?
Educating their people might be a good start.

It's pretty rich that you talk about educating people when you're quite happy to repeat any old drivel about 9/11.
Maybe you should seek some education?

[Hinny]

It's pretty rich that you talk about educating people when you're quite happy to repeat any old drivel about 9/11.
Maybe you should seek some education?

Can I deduce from your comments that you believe the official 911 story?

[Oscar]

Can I deduce from your comments that you believe the official 911 story?

You can deduce nothing.

However, if you're willing give me a sensible alternative story, I'll listen.
Bear in mind though, none of the alternatives I've seen are in any way sensible.

For example:

• Flight 77 never took off. So what made the big hole in the ground?
• The cockpit door was never opened. So how do you account for the voices on the cockpit voice recorder? The cellphone calls by passengers?
• The WTC was blown up. So why did I see a plane hit it? Why would "they" go to the trouble of having a plane hit it, when a massive explosion blamed on a bomb in the car park would have been simpler and more believable?

[Oscar]

Occam's razor (also written as Ockham's razor from William of Ockham, and in Latin lex parsimoniae) is a principle of parsimony, economy, or succinctness used in logic and problem-solving.
It states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

[Katman]

Another interesting video to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0apdJca5OMA

[Katman]

It states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

That the failure of a single column could bring WTC7 down in a uniform pattern at free fall speed is a rather large assumption.

[Katman]

Not really.

The FDR contained data not only for flight 77, but also for the 11 previous flights.
In 41 hours of data, the parameter never changed from '0'. It seems unlikely, although not impossible, that the cockpit door wasn't opened once during any of this time.

So now we're to believe that the FDR was faulty?

[Oscar]

So now we're to believe that the FDR was faulty?

Nope. That parameter wasn't installed on that model Boeing.

Can you explain the cockpit voice recording?
The phone calls from passengers?