The fascist regime that made you a moron: Thanks dJonkey

[oneofsix]

Now who is being naive?

Sorry it was BB that said that.

Respect starts in the home from when you are born. It has nothing to do with the state.

Respect for your parents, yes. Respect for the state? maybe initially. Respect is earned not demanded. Different people automatically get given different levels of respect depending on prejudices and then they earn more or diminish what they have by their own actions. The used to get a higher level of automatic or initial respect when I was a kid than they do now and a lot of that would be more people having to deal with them in negative circumstances like traffic offences. Respect for politicians has really dived since those days but that would be due to more information being available on what they really get up to.

[Brian d marge]

Leftists are among the first to speak of their rights

Stephen

[BoristheBiter]

Excess sugar, excess carbs
classrooms not conducive for introverts
programmed with violence via media
harmful medications
bullying culture in schools and workplaces
.........
I could make a very long long list.....

And you would still be wrong. if this was the case, why does it not effect everyone? and why is this the states fault?


Compliance enforcement is fine, except for the understanding of mental illness and to who is at fault or responsible for making a nut job,
THEY ARE CREATED!! parents and state share responsibility
otherwise, keep up the good work fellas
I even support harder punishments when credit is due

But ostracising then isolating someone into a lonely existence, due to neurology, humiliating them in the media, then wondering why they snap is a no brainer

Well for some anyhoos

School shootings in the USA are the outcome of the bullied who snap
All those innocent deaths are on the hands of a health system that lets down its most vulnerable citizens, and creates a school environment where bullying is not addressed.

Youtube 'bullycide in schools' as most of the sufferers take their own lives. Its a pretty sobering watch

I think you might have a slightly twisted look at things. not all bad things people do is because they are "nut jobs" and very little is to do with the state, yes they might miss the signs but before people "snap" the state has it's hands tied.
The state moved most IHC people into the community because the wider public did not want them "in care" as they were not the best places for them.

Some people will have a predisposition to do certain things a certain way but to blame it on the state is just grasping at too many straws.

[scissorhands]

Your right, the state is faultless

[BoristheBiter]

Respect for your parents, yes. Respect for the state? maybe initially. Respect is earned not demanded. Different people automatically get given different levels of respect depending on prejudices and then they earn more or diminish what they have by their own actions. The used to get a higher level of automatic or initial respect when I was a kid than they do now and a lot of that would be more people having to deal with them in negative circumstances like traffic offences. Respect for politicians has really dived since those days but that would be due to more information being available on what they really get up to.

Why not just respect for someone else?

I respect everyone until proven otherwise. Yes I might have a predisposed idea of what someone will be like, doesn't mean I won't show them respect.

So because you have been given a ticket or disapprove of the road safety campaign you have no respect for the police.
You say you have lost respect with the police because of the negative things you have seen, imagine what they think about as they deal with negative all the time.

[Banditbandit]

Leftists are among the first to speak of their rights

Stephen

I'm probaby further left than you can imagine ,.. but I NEVER speak of "rights" .. they are bullshit and don't exist .. people only have what they fight for ... "rights" are just a legal fiction for fighting in court rooms .. but they are only sustained if people are prepared to pick uop the gun and fight for them (which means that you don't have them "by right" only by force ... so they are not "rights")

[scissorhands]

so a child with no force has no rights?
might is right?

[BoristheBiter]

Your right, the state is faultless

Blaming the state for things like these...........

Excess sugar, excess carbs
classrooms not conducive for introverts
programmed with violence via media
harmful medications
bullying culture in schools and workplaces

........is just bollocks.
So what the state should ban all sugar, pasta, bread? ban all TV, movies, video games? ban all medication?
Man there isn't a big enough faceplam smiley for that.

The only thing I can say is the fault of the state is that we have been turned into an apologetic society where nothing is the fault of the individual but the fault of others.

[Banditbandit]

so a child with no force has no rights?
might is right?

Yeah ... that's right ... a child has no rights ... there are no such thing - it is a fiction of the wimping liberals ... a social construct .... No person has any rights at all ... there is no truth or reality in that claim

You say "what about the right to life?" Well - tell me .. a person is drowning 10 miles of the coast .. what "right to life" can he claim ??? The universe doesn't give a fuck ... that person is dead ...

But yeah .. I will support people's "rights" in a court of law .. that's a confrontation with force and power then any tool (such as a "rights" argument) is good because it is useful - the argument has a use value because it can achieve something ..

So if you want to go to court and argue for "children's rights" go right ahead ... but then you are the one acting with some kind of power or force .. not the child ... Children are vulnerable and have no rights ... except what adutls grant them ...

So don't confuse truth with use value.

[Banditbandit]

I think you might have a slightly twisted look at things. not all bad things people do is because they are "nut jobs" and very little is to do with the state, yes they might miss the signs but before people "snap" the state has it's hands tied.

Once people have "snapped" it's too late ... intervention needs to happen before they "snap" .. the trick is spotting it coming and then intervening .. fucking hard sometimes .. fucking hard most of the time

The state moved most IHC people into the community because the wider public did not want them "in care" as they were not the best places for them.

That is not correct for everyone - there are some people who benefit from some sort of long term care, even institutional care - they simply will not function or survive in mainstream ... the one size fits all solution is usually wrong. In this case "the community" was wrong

[BoristheBiter]

Once people have "snapped" it's too late ... intervention needs to happen before they "snap" .. the trick is spotting it coming and then intervening .. fucking hard sometimes .. fucking hard most of the time



That is not correct for everyone - there are some people who benefit from some sort of long term care, even institutional care - they simply will not function or survive in mainstream ... the one size fits all solution is usually wrong. In this case "the community" was wrong

The problem it they haven't done anything wrong so how can you come down hard on them?

Yep the community was wrong, it was what they wanted then blamed TPTB when it went tits up for not caring.
Like the first point "dammed if you do dammed if you don't"

[Banditbandit]

The problem it they haven't done anything wrong so how can you come down hard on them?

You don't need to "come down hard on them" - you do need some sort of intervention ..

[oneofsix]

Why not just respect for someone else?

I respect everyone until proven otherwise. Yes I might have a predisposed idea of what someone will be like, doesn't mean I won't show them respect.

So because you have been given a ticket or disapprove of the road safety campaign you have no respect for the police.
You say you have lost respect with the police because of the negative things you have seen, imagine what they think about as they deal with negative all the time.

I didn't say I had personally, it was a generalised statement but you seem to have agreed with what I said about levels of respect.

[Scuba_Steve]

Blaming the state for things like these...........

Excess sugar, excess carbs
classrooms not conducive for introverts
programmed with violence via media
harmful medications
bullying culture in schools and workplaces

........is just bollocks.
So what the state should ban all sugar, pasta, bread? ban all TV, movies, video games? ban all medication?
Man there isn't a big enough faceplam smiley for that.

The only thing I can say is the fault of the state is that we have been turned into an apologetic society where nothing is the fault of the individual but the fault of others.

This might be the most intelligent thing I've ever seen you write, I'm in agreeance with you here especially the last sentence (tho the meds thing is iffy, the state does approve these things)

[mashman]

Blaming the state for things like these...........

Excess sugar, excess carbs
classrooms not conducive for introverts
programmed with violence via media
harmful medications
bullying culture in schools and workplaces

........is just bollocks.
So what the state should ban all sugar, pasta, bread? ban all TV, movies, video games? ban all medication?
Man there isn't a big enough faceplam smiley for that.

The only thing I can say is the fault of the state is that we have been turned into an apologetic society where nothing is the fault of the individual but the fault of others.

This might be the most intelligent thing I've ever seen you write, I'm in agreeance with you here especially the last sentence (tho the meds thing is iffy, the state does approve these things)

No Steve, no, come back towards the lights, moronville doesn't need you.

Given that the state decides what is allowed into the country and what isn't, they are directly responsible for allowing in high sugared shit etc...
Given that there are introverts that can be easily "detected", why is there no provision for teaching them? Get the fuck on with it doesn't do the kid any good.
Hmmmmm, the media, good on them for giving us entertainment whilst they fuck us over.
Medications are not tailored to the user and one size fits all can kill and/or maim.
Similar to the introverts, there's less and less provision for dealing with the future business leaders and politicians.

The state should be the facility's department of the people and as such should be minimising harm which may well include getting producers to lower the limit of sugar in things, keep certain channels violence/sex free, have a better healthcare system that tailored for the individual.

Yes the individual has a huge amount to do with it and yes you are a bunch of mentally pathetic apologetic morons, you can't help but notice who the govt panders too. Voters insert largest facepalm ever. You get the society you pay and vote for.