ANZACs and war and stuff

[Hinny]

Go and click on the first link in your quote, post 1008, it has nothing of the sort in it. You were obviously referring to another link somewhere.

As for the rest, you once again prove me right about you.

What the fuck is the matter with you?
Your brain injury is certainly not fixed.
Read the fucking link and you might see what I copied>

[Kickaha]

Lots of posts from Pilots saying the aircraft wouldn't allow it to fly that low without landing procedure being activated ie flaps, landing gear, speed etc. The computrs would have taken over.
The height to the engine is reported as ten feet. The fence it flew over was eight feet, Therefore 10 + 8 = 18 feet. The plane should have hit at least 18 feet off the ground. The damage / hole was less than this.
Can this be explained by the plane doing a quick dive once it cleared the fence, cable spools etc so it could hit where it did?
One eyewitness, in one of your links, said the plane hit the ground before the building. Must have been tough grass. Didn't make a ,ark. Oh wait, it can't ne that tough as you can see the tyre marks from the fire engine - all the way to the engineas well. So that would rule out another guys theory about the apparent lack of debris being due to the compressing effects of field of view. Another theory debunked
Also in your links:
One guy said he was a construction worker, standing in one of the trailers and saw the plane crash. How come two of the trailers burnt down, much later, with the fire brigade on site?
How did the fire spread to offices behind the heliport control tower with the fire service on site.
Why were the Pentagon guys running around inside there saving people and finding wreckage etc and the fire service guys were standing around outside?

Maybe their fire service is useless.
Maybe they rescue people as you see them do on that 911 rescue TV show. Generally, I think you would not want them to try....

Well fuck, all those witnesses that saw a large commercial airliner crash into the Pentagon must be wrong or maybe they've just been paid off by the goverment to spout the offical line

So where's all these post from pilots saying it cant be done although if you do put up a link I'll probably just have to find one with other pilots saying it can be done although it might have just all been cgi http://killtown.blogspot.co.nz/2007/...o-hit-wtc.html

Maybe the fire guys had bigger shit to worry about than saving a trailer and offices

[Hinny]

This represents the issue I have with all your "evidence"


Now the FBI were checking calls from HER phone, which failed. He reports earlier that the call was collect. The FBI aren't commenting on calls to him but the report implies they are by saying he did not receive a call from his wife when what is really said is no call was made from HER phone to him. Quite reasonable that she used someone else's phone to make a collect call to him.

Off you go now and fish around in the site to find other mis-leading quotes that will allow you to present and alternative arguement

Plenty of people claiming that cell phone calls from planes would not have been possible so all that conjecture appears to be a waste of time.
It is known, as I understand it, that the plane in question did not have seat back phones - ergo no calls made from plane.

Need to discount Ed' the debunker who claimed that the plane did have seat back phones as he flew in one of the same type, same airline and it had them and he had a photo to prove it. - it was One year later! Hardly proof.

[Hinny]

Nobody is impartial.

I'm impartial.

[Kickaha]

Plenty of people claiming that cell phone calls from planes would not have been possible so all that conjecture appears to be a waste of time.
It is known, as I understand it, that the plane in question did not have seat back phones - ergo no calls made from plane.

That seems to be debated a bit, but it seems that even if the phone were installed they weren't operational, the phone calls do seem a bit dodgy

[Katman]

That seems to be debated a bit, but it seems that even if the phone were installed they weren't operational, the phone calls do seem a bit dodgy

Well if that ain't enough to start questioning then I don't know what is.

[Hinny]

I believe planes of some description hit the towers.

I don't believe the film footage of the nose of the plane exiting the other side of the building before it had totally entered it.

I don't believe the film footage showing the seemingly intact nose of the plane exiting the other side of the building amid a great shower of breaking glass.

Can anybody explain that?

[Hinny]

...and I am not a carpet layer ....

Carpet muncher?

[Hinny]

I believe it because of all these people plus some other stuff
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon...sses/bart.html
Of course they could all be Goverment stooges

Perhaps not stooges. Perhaps just the writings of people employed to write such stuff. Much like letters to the ed in Playboy. Used to laugh at the final line was so often "Is this normal?"

Quick glance down your link and we can see this:

"the whole hotel shook," Jeff recalled. "I could feel it moving We said 'Oh, my gosh, what's going on?"

Why no seismic record of it? - ergo - can't be true.

About as dopey as the one you posted about the guy flying 80 feet through the air and looking up at the ceiling and wondering if it was going to fall on him when he landed.

You need to stop toying with us. Posting humour in what is supposed to be a serious thread.
Even with Eds contributions.

[Hinny]

And no-one's even brought up yet how bizarre it is that the passport of one of the hijackers that was in the plane that hit the North Tower was found on the street and handed in to police even before the towers collapsed.

I thought it wass after the towers had collapsed and they went to the address listed in upstate new York and found a list of all the other hijackers and that's how they discovered them so quickly.
Much later they changed the story to Atta left his luggage behind at the airport and they got their info that way. LOL

[Kickaha]

. Posting humour in what is supposed to be a serious thread..

Blame Katman he started it first

[Hinny]

bizarre but not impossible, other stuff supposedly survived the crash and was found
http://www.911myths.com/html/passport_recovered.html

Indicating quite clearly that the fire wasn't very intense. As confirmed by people walking by the floors, firemen and by a woman standing in the whole created.

[Hinny]

How about like this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satam_al-Suqami

Ed should contact Wikipedia and put them right about their assertion that the black boxes weren't found.
Fact he reckons.
A fact you ignored as well.

[Kickaha]

Indicating quite clearly that the fire wasn't very intense. As confirmed by people walking by the floors, firemen and by a woman standing in the whole created.

It only indicates that the fire wasn't intense in the area they were in at that time

[Hinny]

Well it depends on how large those "bizarre but not impossible" occurrences rank in importance.

Like the fact that the very day of the attack an air defense exercise was being conducted that included a scenario very similar to what occurred.

Strangely no fighters were scrambled to deal with wayward air liners though.

Not a very well run exercise by the sounds of it.

That was because:

1. most of them had been sent to Canada and Alaska

2. The engagement rules had been changed and they needed Donald Rumsfeld to ok it and he was incommunicado.

Al Qaieda must be very well connected to know all the things they needed to know. Maybe it really is Al CIAdah.