Cyber spying is old news. Welcome to the cyber war end game

[Winston001]

What I find interesting is that Americans aren't bothered or alarmed by Snowdon's revelations. Most of the noise is whether the guy is a traitor or a whistle-blower. There is no wave of public indignation that the NSA is gathering gigabytes of information.

I don't like it but its kind of like an elephant trying to thread a needle. The task the NSA has of trying to make sense of the data produced by 3 billion connected people is impossible.

[scissorhands]

The task the NSA has of trying to make sense of the data produced by 3 billion connected people is impossible.

thats what computers are for, analysis of large amounts of information

[mashman]

What I find interesting is that Americans aren't bothered or alarmed by Snowdon's revelations. Most of the noise is whether the guy is a traitor or a whistle-blower. There is no wave of public indignation that the NSA is gathering gigabytes of information.

I don't like it but its kind of like an elephant trying to thread a needle. The task the NSA has of trying to make sense of the data produced by 3 billion connected people is impossible.

What are they going to do? Protest? As they can't, they may as well play the hero or traitor game just to feel like they've taken part.

Step 1. A thesaurus and a ranking.
Step 2. Fuzzy logic and Soundex search on top ranked communications.
Step 3. Email the men with the blue hands.

Watch the vid posted by flyingcrocodile and you may get some idea how long they've been at this and what is possible.

[avgas]

Being on the other end of Stuxnet soon as we saw what it was doing and where it was going. You knew it was US at work - and made us all shiver a little. Americans were playing a whole new level of dirty and now very few people trust em.
Whenever I dealt a control grad, first thing I would teach them was hardware interlocks, second thing was not to trust american gear.
Second point eventually fails, and we all have to dance with the devil at some point. But hardware interlocks have saved countless NZ/Aus/USA systems I have worked with.

Stuxnet was just dirty and cowardly. and the Americans knew it. They should have bombed the place rather than put in Stuxnet.
The AC/DC part was just weird also.

That wasn't information collection, that was just dirty.

[flyingcrocodile46]

What I find interesting is that Americans aren't bothered or alarmed by Snowdon's revelations. Most of the noise is whether the guy is a traitor or a whistle-blower. There is no wave of public indignation that the NSA is gathering gigabytes of information.

I don't like it but its kind of like an elephant trying to thread a needle. The task the NSA has of trying to make sense of the data produced by 3 billion connected people is impossible.

Watch the Binney interview video and he describes the way his program does exactly that (in broad terms), He wrote the program for use against other bad naughty countries and blew the whistle on them circa 2002

[flyingcrocodile46]

Being on the other end of Stuxnet soon as we saw what it was doing and where it was going. You knew it was US at work - and made us all shiver a little. Americans were playing a whole new level of dirty and now very few people trust em.
Whenever I dealt a control grad, first thing I would teach them was hardware interlocks, second thing was not to trust american gear.
Second point eventually fails, and we all have to dance with the devil at some point. But hardware interlocks have saved countless NZ/Aus/USA systems I have worked with.

Stuxnet was just dirty and cowardly. and the Americans knew it. They should have bombed the place rather than put in Stuxnet.
The AC/DC part was just weird also.

That wasn't information collection, that was just dirty.

Yup. Dirty crooked evil fuckers.

[avgas]

Yup. Dirty crooked evil fuckers.

Yeah I love the fact that all these IT Pros out there are worried about "who see's what".
Few people are concerned about the plug being pulled (like it did with Stuxnet).

FYI if Huawei gear goes down in NZ. Blame the Americans or the Finish/Japanese. Cisco/Foxconn/GE...... are all made in China. But they still have supply contracts with US/Aus because of the old boys club. They did the same BS with Siemens about 10 years ago also.

[flyingcrocodile46]

If you have the time (100 min). This will blow you away.
It isn't really appropriately titled in respect to the Illuminati tilt.
http://The illuminati Exposed By Muammar Gaddafi

It's only a look at a very small slice of time and activity in the middle east from 2000 to 2012 but has a high level of detail which surprisingly makes a big difference to how you look at Gaddafi and more particularly Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran etc V the US/NWO.

Quite the eye opener for those who want a glimpse at the naked reality of the illusions we are enduring. It's a view of Libya I never imagined and nothing like what I have seen in any news media.

To be perfectly blunt and honest, it fucking sucks.

[Akzle]

Gonna need a name for that. A jewpyre probably ain't too PC.

if i blamed islam you wouldnt hav a problem with it.

[Akzle]

If you have the time (100 min). This will blow you away.
It isn't really appropriately titled in respect to the Illuminati tilt.
http://The illuminati Exposed By Muammar Gaddafi

It's only a look at a very small slice of time and activity in the middle east from 2000 to 2012 but has a high level of detail which surprisingly makes a big difference to how you look at Gaddafi and more particularly Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran etc V the US/NWO.

Quite the eye opener for those who want a glimpse at the naked reality of the illusions we are enduring. It's a view of Libya I never imagined and nothing like what I have seen in any news media.

To be perfectly blunt and honest, it fucking sucks.

read john barron's 'how to run a tyranny'
then compare 1920-80 kgb with america.
Hoo-rah!


Oh, and the monied jews (israel, us, england) vs world (palestine and pretty much anyone else who doesnt cowtow) thing.. Nothing new, just decide which way youre gonna be shooting before the time comes

[mashman]

if i blamed islam you wouldnt hav a problem with it.

Of course I would, Islampire, Ispire, Islamapire, Islamabinpire... so so many problems once I get above 2 syllables.

Having said that, I care not who the money men are as they have no hold over a country (not as directly) that doesn't use the filthy concept of a financial system. Oddly enough the surveillance shit doesn't mean anything without that system either innit? After all, there's nothing to lose.

[Akzle]

jewpyre... Someone had a similar idea once.

[lakedaemonian]

Being on the other end of Stuxnet soon as we saw what it was doing and where it was going. You knew it was US at work - and made us all shiver a little. Americans were playing a whole new level of dirty and now very few people trust em.
Whenever I dealt a control grad, first thing I would teach them was hardware interlocks, second thing was not to trust american gear.
Second point eventually fails, and we all have to dance with the devil at some point. But hardware interlocks have saved countless NZ/Aus/USA systems I have worked with.

Stuxnet was just dirty and cowardly. and the Americans knew it. They should have bombed the place rather than put in Stuxnet.
The AC/DC part was just weird also.

That wasn't information collection, that was just dirty.

So killing people, possibly a LOT of people, combined with the massive impact on world financial/energy markets would be a better alternative than some pretty carefully created and deployed code that physically destroyed a whole bunch of cetrifuges for enriching uranium?

Personally, I think the danger of hundreds upon hundreds of bomber sorties is far greater.

Although it must be said that the code and zero day exploits used for STUXNET can be analysed, recycled, and reverse engineered into the creation of slightly different cyber weapons.

It's far cheaper to recycle a cyber weapon than to create one.

The US also acknowledged STUXNET on several levels which I believe is the first time a nation state has acknowledged offensive network operations.

In doing so, the US has potentially opened up a bit of a pandora's box for the acceptability and precedent setting nature of it for events in the future.

[avgas]

So killing people, possibly a LOT of people, combined with the massive impact on world financial/energy markets would be a better alternative than some pretty carefully created and deployed code that physically destroyed a whole bunch of cetrifuges for enriching uranium?

Stuxnet wasn't that good. All it did was travel through the control comms, find something labelled critical and fudged the protocol values.
This meant the Uranium centrifuges would show levels as normal.
As would pulp-and-paper mill motors.
As would a robot crane in an assembly plant.
As would a fire alarm system in a BMS.
As would pump station at the local sewage plant.
As would air pump unit in an underground mine.

Basically sensor/transducer would present a value to the I/O. I/O controller would receive a value, give to stuxnet who would passed on a completely different value.

Did I mention that it wasn't biased against uranium plants? Or countries?
We even had a batch of it here (unofficially). See any uranium plants here?
See that was the kicker - they didn't know how to do it properly so they made it fit multiple circumstance.

It was a fucking nasty little trick. We are lucky that every country didn't lose its national grid or water supply.
So no don't think of it as a safety switch for some dodgy arabs. Think of it as a global EMP. Because that is what it was.

There have been others since then also - dumb bastards keep getting misfires in US........so now all the engineers over there don't trust the govt also. Have kept their tech in the 1980's, hard-lines, hard-wires, dedicated spectrum radios, serial comms...........innovation goes down the toilet because everyone is too scared to be the next test subject for USA Govt failed viruses.

They had to admit to Stuxnet. It ended up on their shores also. They needed as much help as the rest of us. Dumb bastards opened pandora's box.

[mashman]

If you have the time (100 min). This will blow you away.
It isn't really appropriately titled in respect to the Illuminati tilt.
http://The illuminati Exposed By Muammar Gaddafi

It's only a look at a very small slice of time and activity in the middle east from 2000 to 2012 but has a high level of detail which surprisingly makes a big difference to how you look at Gaddafi and more particularly Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran etc V the US/NWO.

Quite the eye opener for those who want a glimpse at the naked reality of the illusions we are enduring. It's a view of Libya I never imagined and nothing like what I have seen in any news media.

To be perfectly blunt and honest, it fucking sucks.

What happened to your link