David Bain vs The Crown - game over

[Mushu]

So you are a murderer with a bad attitude?

Assuming I didn't do it, I would have a bad attitude being questioned for such a major offense when I have to rely on the judgment of people I have zero faith in (police). If I did do it I'd probably be very polite and quiet hoping to get them to like me so they try looking for other suspects.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Assuming I didn't do it, I would have a bad attitude being questioned for such a major offense when I have to rely on the judgment of people I have zero faith in (police). If I did do it I'd probably be very polite and quiet hoping to get them to like me so they try looking for other suspects.

Not beinag a smart arse...serious question. But if someone raped your dog/cat/wife/daughter (don't know your personal situation)...would you call the police?

[Laava]

Assuming I didn't do it, I would have a bad attitude being questioned for such a major offense when I have to rely on the judgment of people I have zero faith in (police). If I did do it I'd probably be very polite and quiet hoping to get them to like me so they try looking for other suspects.

Haha! Good answer!

[Madness]

Not beinag a smart arse...serious question. But if someone raped your dog/cat/wife/daughter (don't know your personal situation)...would you call the police?

Just seeking clarification as an interested observer... Is this alleged rapist a police officer or a civilian? (you know, considering the odds in this country if it going either way).

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just seeking clarification as an interested observer... Is this alleged rapist a police officer or a civilian? (you know, considering the odds in this country if it going either way).

Obviously a civilian dummy. The police only rape in packs.

[phill-k]

In NZ we subscribe to a fundamental right that a person under criminal law is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty, Our prosecuting arm of the court after his right to due process appealing his first conviction was quashed by our highest court then failed to convince a jury of his peers in the ordered retrial that he was guilty of the crime of killing his family, regardless of whether he was responsible for the crime or not.

Thus all be it painfully slowly for David the system has worked and as he was found not guilty by the system we in NZ subscribe to he is entitled to be compensated for the time he was incarcerated, if there has been a failure it is the fact that a cabinet minister in our elected parliament seems to feel she can deny his compensation based on her own beliefs rather than the justice that has been seen to be done.

For it is better that 12 guilty are freed than one innocent is imprisioned.

[gwigs]

For it is better that 12 guilty are freed than one innocent is imprisioned.

Well said..having done jury service I have to agree..

[scumdog]

Assuming I didn't do it, I would have a bad attitude being questioned for such a major offense when I have to rely on the judgment of people I have zero faith in (police). If I did do it I'd probably be very polite and quiet hoping to get them to like me so they try looking for other suspects.

Yeah, why bother with a judge or jury when we know it's the police that make the judgement

[scumdog]

Didn't take long for my annual red-bling to rebound with this:

"you mean by the way the system DOESNT work? And if so, why are they involved in its perpetuation? Why not take guns to the people making it shit?"

Mwahahaha

BTW: If you reckon that's the way to make the 'system' change for the better just lead the way big boy, lead the way...

[Erelyes]

most importantly burning down the house a mere 3 weeks after the murders

With David's consent.

This is why I think David should be compensated, he was robbed of his defense by the police who investigated.

Actually, any cockups by the cops just mean 'missing evidence' which makes it harder to convict. It's the first court case that is to blame for his times. It's more difficult to appeal a guilty conviction, than it is to defend it in the first instance.

Thus all be it painfully slowly for David the system has worked and as he was found not guilty by the system we in NZ subscribe to he is entitled to be compensated for the time he was incarcerated, if there has been a failure it is the fact that a cabinet minister in our elected parliament seems to feel she can deny his compensation based on her own beliefs rather than the justice that has been seen to be done.

Actually, all she was doing was due diligence. Personally I think Justice Binnie did things pretty averagely (e.g. stating the magazine on the floor was empty when it clearly wasn't). You should see what a mess his 'reply' to Fisher is.

[phill-k]

Actually, all she was doing was due diligence. Personally I think Justice Binnie did things pretty averagely (e.g. stating the magazine on the floor was empty when it clearly wasn't). You should see what a mess his 'reply' to Fisher is.

I guess my real point is he has been found not guilty, he has not been pardoned or some such but has been found not guilty in a trial ordered by what was our highest court, I do not believe that a cabinet minister or for that matter Justice Bennie's findings come into it, Collins is looking to mitigate down his compensation based on her perceived ideas as to his guilt or innocence, that is not justice, he is entitled to full compensation for the time he has been in prison based only on presidents already in place not Colins personal beliefs

[pete376403]

Remember no jury has ever considered Robin to be the killer. How can anyone explain the absence of blood and gunpowder residue on Robin and his clothing? He simply could not be the shooter on that fact alone.

1. Was either jury ever asked to consider that Robin was the killer?
2. Was Robin tested for GSR? (given that the police failed to bag his hands, what else could they have missed?)

[Erelyes]

I guess my real point is he has been found not guilty, he has not been pardoned or some such but has been found not guilty in a trial ordered by what was our highest court, I do not believe that a cabinet minister or for that matter Justice Bennie's findings come into it, Collins is looking to mitigate down his compensation based on her perceived ideas as to his guilt or innocence, that is not justice, he is entitled to full compensation for the time he has been in prison based only on presidents already in place not Colins personal beliefs

I thought that as Justice minister she totally came into it, as it's her call whether he gets compo. If she felt the answer should be no she would have just said so. Instead she chose to have Binnie's report reviewed; and given that the review was scathing I feel that's justified. She still hasn't said no as far as I know? The matter is still anything but closed.

Perhaps we should pay him X mill and fuggedabowdit, but
A) That's not how the justice system works (for better or worse)
B) I doubt that would see the end of the matter anyway

[Erelyes]

1. Was either jury ever asked to consider that Robin was the killer?

Given that the entire defence case was that Robin did the deed and David came home to it - I think there's a chance.

[Edbear]

1. Was either jury ever asked to consider that Robin was the killer?
2. Was Robin tested for GSR? (given that the police failed to bag his hands, what else could they have missed?)

Given that the entire defence case was that Robin did the deed and David came home to it - I think there's a chance.

Yup, even the defense only presented two possible suspects. Now regardless of any other considerations, the fact I mentioned from the court papers that no other blood or gunshot residue we found on Robin or his clothing rules him out. That only leaves David and if atone has read through all the evidence, it clearly implicates David.

You can argue semantics until the cows come home, it very clearly was not Robin.