Low (dipped) vs high-beam debate

[Madness]

ah well.. its always a good way to win an argument I guess. I guess science isnt important.. as long as you're happy.

Science & my happiness have fuck all to do with the issue being discussed. If you're so concerned for your life whilst riding a motorcycle that you have to keep your headlight at full beam then maybe you should sell it & buy a Corolla.

[iYRe]

Science & my happiness have fuck all to do with the issue being discussed. If you're so concerned for your life whilst riding a motorcycle that you have to keep your headlight at full beam then maybe you should sell it & buy a Corolla.

Oh right, because we shouldn't care?

Of course it has to do with the issue being discussed. Testing shows headlight on high beam is more visible than low beam. Testing also shows that it has little to no actual effect on other drivers other than they can see you more easily.

If that's not what you're talking about, feel free to discontinue the conversation... (well, if you can call it that..)

[Madness]

Oh right, because we shouldn't care?

Of course it has to do with the issue being discussed. Testing shows headlight on high beam is more visible than low beam. Testing also shows that it has little to no actual effect on other drivers other than they can see you more easily.

If that's not what you're talking about, feel free to discontinue the conversation... (well, if you can call it that..)

Testing schmesting. The NZ Transport Agency have this to say;

Main beam headlamps are used for lighting the way a long way ahead of the vehicle. Because they are not dipped, they will dazzle other road users if not used properly.

You're simply being a self-centered discourteous road user riding with your lights on full. As I said, HTFU.

Fucking god-botherers.

[Scuba_Steve]

Of course it has to do with the issue being discussed. Testing shows headlight on high beam is more visible than low beam. Testing also shows that it has little to no actual effect on other drivers other than they can see you more easily.

If that's not what you're talking about, feel free to discontinue the conversation... (well, if you can call it that..)

Then tell us all, how does it work? How does light make you more visible without affecting other road users?

I can tell you for a fact a bike on high beam IS distracting, IS annoying, DOES piss people off just like any-other vehicle running high beams

[Madness]

I think I might have just figured out what caused the 4WD vs. bike accident on Twilight Road a few weeks back.

[St_Gabriel]

Oh right, because we shouldn't care?

Of course it has to do with the issue being discussed. Testing shows headlight on high beam is more visible than low beam. Testing also shows that it has little to no actual effect on other drivers other than they can see you more easily.

If that's not what you're talking about, feel free to discontinue the conversation... (well, if you can call it that..)

My unscientific testing shows no trucks carrying/towing houses as a long wide load, have been hit by an oncoming vehicle who did not see them (not saying they havent hit cars and other things but i digress). Are you saying perhaps that all motorcycles should tow houses whilst having 2 police cars and 2 escort vehicles immediately ahead of them.

Just because it may be safer or make you more conspicuous does not mean it is necessarily a good idea...

[iYRe]

Then tell us all, how does it work? How does light make you more visible without affecting other road users?

I can tell you for a fact a bike on high beam IS distracting, IS annoying, DOES piss people off just like any-other vehicle running high beams

It pisses off selfish arrogant discourteous people who do not care about anyone else, other than themselves.

Testing schmesting. The NZ Transport Agency have this to say;


You're simply being a self-centered discourteous road user riding with your lights on full. As I said, HTFU.

Fucking god-botherers.

"HEADLIGHT: The best way to help others on the road see your motorcycle is to keep the headlight on at all times. Use of the high beam in daylight increases the likelihood that you will be seen by oncoming drivers."

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite...&ssbinary=true

If you cant handle a little bit of bright light, its not me who needs to HTFU.. heh.

ps, I wasnt _in_ an accident on twilight road.

[Madness]

If you cant handle a little bit of bright light, its not me who needs to HTFU.. heh.

ps, I wasnt _in_ an accident on twilight road.

I never said you were _in_ the accident, merely suggested your self-righteous attitude and use of full beam may have attributed to the cause of said accident. I shouldn't have to handle a bit of bright light. Most "normal" road users are courteous with their application of full beam and restrict it's use to times where it's required for them to see the way ahead. Then there's wankers like you.

[iYRe]

My unscientific testing shows no trucks carrying/towing houses as a long wide load, have been hit by an oncoming vehicle who did not see them (not saying they havent hit cars and other things but i digress). Are you saying perhaps that all motorcycles should tow houses whilst having 2 police cars and 2 escort vehicles immediately ahead of them.

Just because it may be safer or make you more conspicuous does not mean it is necessarily a good idea...

actually, it is a good idea..

Which is the point. it's been a good idea as long as I can remember (i've been riding on the road for 31 years), and it will continue to be regardless of all this idiotic bleating until someone comes up with a better method. Probably some kind of non light that kindly asks other motorists, if it would not upset them too much, to please keep an eye out for motorcyclists, if they dont mind..

[iYRe]

I never said you were _in_ the accident, merely suggested your self-righteous attitude and use of full beam may have attributed to the cause of said accident. I shouldn't have to handle a bit of bright light. Most "normal" road users are courteous with their application of full beam and restrict it's use to times where it's required for them to see the way ahead. Then there's wankers like you.

How do you even know I was on a motorcycle?

Most NORMAL road users care about peoples safety, and dont care if someone makes themselves more visible in a way that WONT ACTUALLY AFFECT THEM. Honestly... cant you read?
Must be a bit hard to read after all that one handed typing.. also explains why a bit of light affects your eyes so badly you have to rant on about it for hours on end.

[Madness]

How do you even know I was on a motorcycle?

Because after the accident you came on here and started at least one thread about it, carrying on about the riding of others like some kind of demi-god. Yeah, that'll be how, unless you were bullshitting.

Most NORMAL road users care about peoples safety, and dont care if someone makes themselves more visible in a way that WONT ACTUALLY AFFECT THEM. Honestly... cant you read?

It affects me by distracting me. It affects others I know to the extent of creating what I can only assume (as I'm not in their head, just in the seat beside them as they're driving) as temporary blindness. This is more dangerous than your "perceived" reduced risk as a motorcyclist in my opinion and quite likely in the opinion of the law-makers. I hope you get a smack in the head for it. Come to think of it, didn't you recently post about a road rage incident you were involved in? Coincidence much?

Must be a bit hard to read after all that one handed typing.. also explains why a bit of light affects your eyes so badly you have to rant on about it for hours on end.

You churchies are fucking shit at slinging insults. Soft-cock.

[Scuba_Steve]

It pisses off selfish arrogant discourteous people who do not care about anyone else, other than themselves.

So you admit it pisses you off when others do it

[MrKiwi]

I heard, from a reputable source, that the "lights" thing on bikes was a stuff up - they were trying to pass some other laws and this one slipped under teh radar. They are/were trying to amend the rules to allow headlights on full and driving lights of various descriptions - glad to see its official now..

No, headlights on full has never been under consideration - it would be considered too dangerous - lights should be set at the appropriate angle when on coming traffic is approaching...

[Berries]

again.. the effects to the drivers are minimal, but the visibility for motorcyclists is HUGE.. the positives outweigh the negatives considerably. HTFU.

Why should a motorcyclist reduce their visibility because it upsets a driver. Never.

Bollocks. You are not reducing your visibility, you are using your lights as legally supposed to. And funnily enough bike riders get pissed off with cars and other bikes poncing around during the day with their lights on full as well as car drivers.

I am with Scuba Steve and often think of swerving into the path of some arrogant twat who rides with his lights on full instead of mouthing the words 'you fucking twat' which is what I do at the moment. Doesn't do much with a dark visor.

[mulletman]

I find vehicles on high beam with modern lights affect my perception of distance between myself and vehicle.

+ 1 here as well