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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Of course not. I was simply pointing out that the corruption youso detest, is more prevalent on the 'wrong' side of the law.
    Are you sure ???

    The police are paid to catch criminals and put them before the court with evidence to convict them ... defense lawyers are paid to defend people against criminal charges ...

    If the police take the pay but instead go for convictions no matter what, and the defense lawyers defend people against chagres - which is the more corrupt?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Of course not. I was simply pointing out that the corruption youso detest, is more prevalent on the 'wrong' side of the law.
    I'm well aware that there are defense lawyers out there who will still take on a case even where the suspect has actually been seen by 100 people to commit the crime - and then proceed to use every trick in the book to try to get their client off.

    I'm saying that if the Crown wishes to be seen as having an unquestionable level of integrity (which is surely what we all would like them to have) than they have to be above using any underhanded methods to achieve their goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Are you sure ???

    The police are paid to catch criminals and put them before the court with evidence to convict them ... defense lawyers are paid to defend people against criminal charges ...

    If the police take the pay but instead go for convictions no matter what, and the defense lawyers defend people against chagres - which is the more corrupt?
    I don't know. My head has caved in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
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    The reality is that if any one of us were to be charged with a crime that we were innocent of then it would be imperative that we could rely on the integrity and honesty of the Crown Law Office/Police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    The reality is that if any one of us were to be charged with a crime that we were innocent of then it would be imperative that we could rely on the integrity and honesty of the Crown Law Office/Police.
    Bwhahahahaha .. yes, we would need to rely on that - and I do not believe that we can ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    The reality is that if any one of us were to be charged with a crime that we were innocent of then it would be imperative that we could rely on the integrity and honesty of the Crown Law Office/Police.
    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Bwhahahahaha .. yes, we would need to rely on that - and I do not believe that we can ...
    We'd have to hope for it, at the same time get the best lawyer you can find. Not the best you can afford mind, that's a mistake. I'd beg and borrow from everyone I know to pay a retainer methinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    We'd have to hope for it, at the same time get the best lawyer you can find. Not the best you can afford mind, that's a mistake. I'd beg and borrow from everyone I know to pay a retainer methinks.
    Yes, it's a shame that our current system requires a small fortune to defend one's innocence.

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    I'm terribly sorry, but this line of discussion severely undermines the credibility of our court system. Cease immediately!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Yes, it's a shame that our current system requires a small fortune to defend one's innocence.
    Unlike you, I don't entirely blame the police or the government for this.

    Lawyers charge what they can get away with, same as nearly everyone else.

    Quote Originally Posted by GCSB Thought Police View Post
    I'm terribly sorry, but this line of discussion severely undermines the credibility of our court system. Cease immediately!
    Hahahahaha, come find us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Unlike you, I don't entirely blame the police or the government for this.

    Lawyers charge what they can get away with, same as nearly everyone else.
    Lawyrs working on legal aid (who defend most crims) get paid a set rate by the Crwon. They cannot "charge what they can gert away with".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Unlike you, I don't entirely blame the police or the government for this.

    Lawyers charge what they can get away with, same as nearly everyone else.
    If we could rely on the absolute integrity of the justice system then, in theory, it wouldn't have to cost you anything to defend your innocence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    Lawyrs working on legal aid (who defend most crims) get paid a set rate by the Crwon. They cannot "charge what they can gert away with".
    Yes, their rates are fixed and their hours audited...Now.

    Few lawyers in our country practice criminal law though I thought. The money is in realestate and taxes I imagine. Would those lawyers who are defending the accused, not have a pretty good argument that they should be being paid similarly to market rates for the rest of their profession?

    These are lawyers after all, not the type to just roll over and take whatever John offers like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    If we could rely on the absolute integrity of the justice system then, in theory, it wouldn't have to cost you anything to defend your innocence.
    The implication doesn't sit well. I refuse to believe that the only reason people are incarcerated, is that the police and prosecution were unlawful or underhanded.

    But yes, a defense should be possible by relying on nothing more than the proven facts. But in a lot of cases, cops find nothing to implicate anyone else of the crime. So if 100% of the suspects equals you, you'd want a lawyer anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Yes, their rates are fixed and their hours audited...Now.

    Few lawyers in our country practice criminal law though I thought. The money is in realestate and taxes I imagine. Would those lawyers who are defending the accused, not have a pretty good argument that they should be being paid similarly to market rates for the rest of their profession?

    These are lawyers after all, not the type to just roll over and take whatever John offers like.
    They tried - the Govt said NO - We will pay you what we think you are worth ... and it's not as if they can charge their clients .. who have no money and are probably in jail ...
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