Stupid World

[puddytat]

Kiwi as bro...

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/07/19...-ruling-class/

[blue rider]

much fun is to be had on this site

http://opencorporates.com/viz/financ...#morganstanley

interesting play

[Ocean1]

Kiwi as bro...

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/07/19...-ruling-class/

So we're to understand that a socialist academic doesn't much like Nick Cater's ideas about who to blame for the shape of current policy?

Hardly surprising.

[Scuba_Steve]

Yep the world has officially gone to shit!
Retro fitting North Korean style interwebs censorship is coming along nicely

The UK's gone too far with this one!
Blocking interwebs porn (a staple & basic right of teh interwebs) unless you specifically opt to have it allowed

[puddytat]

There's a wannabe govenor of some state in good ole Yankland who's campaigning on making it illegal to indulge in anal or oral sex...wanking will be next. Oh also abortion of course.

[Ocean1]

There's a wannabe govenor of some state in good ole Yankland who's campaigning on making it illegal to indulge in anal or oral sex...

Hate to break the bad news for you dude...

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_state...sex_illegal_in

[mashman]

A couple of articles highlighting the stupidity of using money as a way to "manage" resource usage and production.

Peak oil lives, but will kill the economy

Economists forecast the end of growth

At some point the penny has to drop as to what the problem really is and why we aren't leaping forwards to meet the challenges that have been waiting to be addressed for generations.

[Ocean1]

A couple of articles highlighting the stupidity of using money as a way to "manage" resource usage and production.

No they don't. They highlight the historical importance of cheap energy to economic growth.

At some point the penny has to drop as to what the problem really is and why we aren't leaping forwards to meet the challenges that have been waiting to be addressed for generations.

The problem isn't money, cookie boy. Economic growth peaked four decades ago because that generation grew up with an intimate understanding of the relationship between productive effort and economic reward and first hand experience of hard economic times. They didn't put their feet up when the innovations of post war industry grew the earnings from their efforts year after year.

Unfortunately the technology and a rampant social welfare system taught their kids that they didn't have to work. And economic growth has been shrinking ever since.

[mashman]

No they don't. They highlight the historical importance of cheap energy to economic growth.

That's all huh.

The problem isn't money, cookie boy. Economic growth peaked four decades ago because that generation grew up with an intimate understanding of the relationship between productive effort and economic reward and first hand experience of hard economic times. They didn't put their feet up when the innovations of post war industry grew the earnings from their efforts year after year.

Unfortunately the technology and a rampant social welfare system taught their kids that they didn't have to work. And economic growth has been shrinking ever since.

Of course the problem is money. "The era of cheap oil is over". Money! No money = just oil and a decision to be made as to where to focus it's energy for the benefit of all.

"The increasing dependence on more expensive unconventional sources with lower EROI has a fundamentally negative economic impact from which there is no easy escape.". Negative economic impact, not because there's a lack of oil, but because it eventually stops returning a profit.

"Both solar and wind power are likely to be cheaper than coal... once the capital is found and the project is built, a wind or solar farm delivers far cheaper energy than a coal-fired utility plant, at around one-third of the marginal cost of coal." Capital required to implement much needed technology and give us some breathing space in regards to supply/demand for oil. How do you get enough money when the economy is circling the drain and the end of growth has been put forwards as our future?

Money money money... it's all money, nothing can happen without it, yet it doesn't build a rig/solar panel/wind turbine etc... but it prevents them from being built. Roses. Smell 'em.

[Ocean1]

That's all huh.

Yes. Compared to your synopsis it's a model of succinct accuracy.

Of course the problem is money. "The era of cheap oil is over". Money! No money = just oil and a decision to be made as to where to focus it's energy for the benefit of all.

"The increasing dependence on more expensive unconventional sources with lower EROI has a fundamentally negative economic impact from which there is no easy escape.". Negative economic impact, not because there's a lack of oil, but because it eventually stops returning a profit.

"Both solar and wind power are likely to be cheaper than coal... once the capital is found and the project is built, a wind or solar farm delivers far cheaper energy than a coal-fired utility plant, at around one-third of the marginal cost of coal." Capital required to implement much needed technology and give us some breathing space in regards to supply/demand for oil. How do you get enough money when the economy is circling the drain and the end of growth has been put forwards as our future?

The era of cheap oil was over two decades ago and yet people seem to have managed to find ways to use oil to make a profit, at no stage has world production declined. Ever. And I'm pretty sure that in spite of your vague intimations to the contrary people don't blow their savings on shit to no advantage whatsoever.

As for the claimed cost benefits of solar and wind power, do you think someone's hiding the fact that they really produce cheaper energy, and that all we've got to do is make with thousands of windmills? Solar might. At the equator. We're a fair way from that y'know. Wind might be, here. But it'll never amount to more than 20% of demand on a good day.

Money money money... it's all money, nothing can happen without it, yet it doesn't build a rig/solar panel/wind turbine etc... but it prevents them from being built. Roses. Smell 'em.

Make up your fucking mind, one minute you're bleating because your favourite projects can't get enough money and the next money's the single thing preventing them happening. Why don't you just admit that you know fuck all about resource economics, that you get yer rocks of by bitching and moaning about pretty much everything and you don't mind skimming over a few facts to do so?

[mashman]

Yes. Compared to your synopsis it's a model of succinct accuracy.

The era of cheap oil was over two decades ago and yet people seem to have managed to find ways to use oil to make a profit, at no stage has world production declined. Ever. And I'm pretty sure that in spite of your vague intimations to the contrary people don't blow their savings on shit to no advantage whatsoever.

As for the claimed cost benefits of solar and wind power, do you think someone's hiding the fact that they really produce cheaper energy, and that all we've got to do is make with thousands of windmills? Solar might. At the equator. We're a fair way from that y'know. Wind might be, here. But it'll never amount to more than 20% of demand on a good day.

Despite the analysts saying otherwise?

Even though the dude in the article stated that they would produce cheaper energy your saying that they don't? They're pretty much one off costs, you don't have to keep filling them with fuel. As a combination and in sufficient enough numbers I do wonder how much water, wind and solar energy would be produced. I'm not saying that they're complete replacements, but there are a fuckload of electricity intensive operations that we could drop (like financial record/spy data servers) that would also help lighten the load.

Make up your fucking mind, one minute you're bleating because your favourite projects can't get enough money and the next money's the single thing preventing them happening. Why don't you just admit that you know fuck all about resource economics, that you get yer rocks of by bitching and moaning about pretty much everything and you don't mind skimming over a few facts to do so?

Both statements are true. They can't get enough get enough money which is preventing them from being a much larger source of power. There can be no other alternative for my fighting the fight eh?

[avgas]

There's a wannabe govenor of some state in good ole Yankland who's campaigning on making it illegal to indulge in anal or oral sex...wanking will be next. Oh also abortion of course.

Nah you got it wrong. He just hates the taste of shit.

[Scuba_Steve]

Nah you got it wrong. He just hates the taste of shit.

Then you have to question why he'd go for a position where it constantly comes from his mouth

[mashman]

Huge methane belch in Arctic could cost $60 trillion... the absolute epitome of everything that is wrong with the world today. A natural disaster means that people will suffer financially. Such fuckin stupidity.

[mashman]

Bulgaria parliament siege escalates political crisis... what do you mean you want us to quit? bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa. Fuckin dickheads.