Rider ticketed for riding a 250 not on the LAMs list?

[iranana]

The LAMs list is ridiculous and it's even more ridiculous a cop ticketed him on a Hyosung 250. Either the cop didn't know jack shit about bikes, or he was just trying to rack up his quota and trick a poor learner. The whole 250 two stroke thing is pretty stupid too. Sure, they're quick, but there's some questionable bikes on the list. A Yamaha RD400 can be a pretty scary bike when in stock form, and when combined with 70s handling would make a highly dangerous learner machine. They're not particularly common though.

[neels]

Give the police complaints people a call, they can be surprisingly helpful, particularly if you approach it from the point of view of correcting an error rather than wanting someones head on a plate.

Make sure you record date, time and the name of who you talk to so if you don't hear anything back you can follow it up.

If that doesn't get results then you've got a reason and some background to get your media of choice involved to accelerate the process of sorting it.

[The Pastor]

I would presume by now he's paid the ticket etc.

In that situation, he's admitted fault, and I'm not sure if you can then turn around and say, well, actually, I want to fight it?

Of course you can you muppet.

Even if you've paid, if they have ticketed you for a non offecnce you can ask for your money back! You can't be guilty if there has been no crime/offense!

[imdying]

Shit you might not know: http://www.police.govt.nz/faq/questi...sinfringements

[Akzle]

Of course you can you muppet.

Even if you've paid, if they have ticketed you for a non offecnce you can ask for your money back! You can't be guilty if there has been no crime/offense!

err. actually. you can. infact so many people get ticketed for non-crime it isn't funny. but the dumb cunts keep paying, so, you see, the jews get paid, and the system goes on.

[Erelyes]

paying the donut fund, based on an infringement notice, is an admission of guilt. (mens rea).

Let me get this straight, as soon as he's shown 'mens rea' he's shafted? Sounds kinky

[Akzle]

Let me get this straight, as soon as he's shown 'mens rea' he's shafted? Sounds kinky

it is.

and yes. that's pretty much how it works.

you can stab a cunt to death, if you dont have a guilty mind, (don't plea, don't say sorry, have some kind of claim of right) you're not guilty of a crime.

neat system huh?

[MarkH]

Here's a queer one.

Had a young fella in work today enquiring why we were advertising at Hyosung GT250R as learner legal when they're not on the LAMs list. Turns out the poor bastard got ticketed in November for riding on his learners, on a non LAMs approved motorcycle while riding his GT250R. $200 fine, 20 demerits. He paid it and advertised his bike for sale thinking he wasn't allowed to ride it.

So how does he go about rectifying the problem?

Not trying to be mean to this ripped-off lad but this immediately comes to mind:
"Life is tough, but it's tougher if you're stupid"

Step 1.
If you like to ride motorcycles then take the trouble to understand the laws concerning riding motorcycles.
In this case it would have helped immensely if he understood the LAMS regulations better than the officer.

Step 2.
When a officer is ticketing you for riding a non-LAMS bike then question why he thinks it isn't LAMS approved.

Step 3.
If you get the ticket anyway then write in a nice letter challenging the allegation rather than paying it.
Challenge it in court if necessary - don't roll over and take BS like that!


So now the lad has gone and screwed up all 3 steps, I'd go with the advice to contact Fair Go - that 1 stupid cop is making the non-retarded cops look bad!

[Akzle]

the non-retarded cops look bad!

where do they hide them??

[MarkH]

where do they hide them??

I've come across cops that are decent blokes & fairly intelligent and others who aren't.
In any group you will get quite a variety, with police you may think that you wouldn't find any that are too thick to understand the law - but you would be wrong there.

Maybe we could ask Scumdog if he has noticed that some of his work mates are fuckin' idiots?

[Akzle]

with police you may think that you wouldn't find any that are too thick to understand the law - but you would be wrong there.

are you new here or what?

I expect the average cop to have the average iq and emotional ability of the bullied 10 year old girl they probably were.

And not to know a damn thing about 'law' asides from which infringement pad to write on. Rightly or not. Usually not.

[Mushu]

Any news on what the guy concerned is doing about this? I'd like to know who he does choose to contact and what he actually has to do to get his money back and points restored (if he can at all).


The whole thing is his own fault though, a cop tried to do me for the same offense while riding my DR650 claiming that his ignorance of the list was grounds to fine me, but I pushed him to ask other cops to confirm it wasn't on the LAMS list because I knew for a fact it was and eventually he let it go, jokes on him though, with my exhaust it's technically not LAMS compliant.

[scumdog]

are you new here or what?

I expect the average cop to have the average iq and emotional ability of the bullied 10 year old girl they probably were.

And not to know a damn thing about 'law' asides from which infringement pad to write on. Rightly or not. Usually not.

He was on KB when you were still shitting yellow in three-cornered pants sonny...

[scumdog]

are you new here or what?

I expect the average cop to have the average iq and emotional ability of the bullied 10 year old girl they probably were.

And not to know a damn thing about 'law' asides from which infringement pad to write on. Rightly or not. Usually not.

Expecting a bit much - considering the people they have to deal with...

[scumdog]

it is.

and yes. that's pretty much how it works.

you can stab a cunt to death, if you dont have a guilty mind, (don't plea, don't say sorry, have some kind of claim of right) you're not guilty of a crime.

neat system huh?

Give it a go hot-shot..