Only blue gang patches and vests allowed. And shit

[Akzle]

You must be one unlucky prick or just kiddin yourself. I have only had fines imposed for things I am guilty of.........

mens rea. The jewstice system thanks you for propping them up. And the timeshares in the bahamas. And the launch. And the third batch in matakana. And the new bmw. And...

[skippa1]

Unlucky (or marked) But I've had many I'm not guilty of incl 2 current for vehicle licences which I have NZTA licence certs showing my innocence, will the Police accept them? not at all, why would they, they can't make moneys that way.
But regardless of innocence the way the whole thing is run is extortion & illegal under law

Theres more to that story than arsehole cops trying to extort money out of you any way they can........

[skippa1]

mens rea. The jewstice system thanks you for propping them up. And the timeshares in the bahamas. And the launch. And the third batch in matakana. And the new bmw. And...

They're welcome

[scumdog]

But regardless of innocence the way the whole thing is run is extortion & illegal under law

Only if you're one of lifes losers....don't buy any Lotto tickets - you may be disappointed.

[Akzle]

They're welcome

and i thank you. For my benny, so i can buy smokes and booze and afford the lawyer when im in court against the mongrel bitch mother of my DPBs for smaking her bitch mouf.
And fuel for my cuzziez holden coz its da fastest getaway car doing the burgs...

[Akzle]

Only if you're one of lifes losers....don't by any Lotto tickets - you may be disappointed.

nono. Its unlawful.
Legal. But unlawful.
You should hang yourself.

[98tls]

and i thank you. For my benny, so i can buy smokes and booze and afford the lawyer when im in court against the mongrel bitch mother of my DPBs for smaking her bitch mouf.
And fuel for my cuzziez holden coz its da fastest getaway car doing the burgs...

Legal aid fella.....

[Scuba_Steve]

Only if you're one of lifes losers....don't buy any Lotto tickets - you may be disappointed.

[Akzle]

Legal aid fella.....

yeah g unit.

(whodya think pays those cnuttys?)

[300weatherby]

We live in a democracy, more or less,and the laws are generally intended to protect civilized society that live within them. We mostly know what those laws cover, weather we agree with them or not. Because most civilized people understand and consider the consequences of their actions, they do not break the law and have no consequences.

In fact, the average citizen is disadvantaged because the law representation in our midst (police), day in day out, is undermanned, under resourced and courts trouble with the anti police police ( who need to justify their very existance by carrying out successfull witch hunts against enough police officers to prove they are needed) if they are anything but squeaky clean politically correct.

The average citizen is futher disadvantaged by the court system that chooses to ignore the safety and wellbeing of it's lawfull citizens by applying weak law based penalties against criminals, both white collar and gang and affiliate type scum. The court/legal system in NZ does not dispence JUSTICE, only the law.

That "thin blue line" is all that stops total anarchy and the end of civilization, as we currently know it. The gang scum would murder, rape, assault and steal without penalty other than if they crossed another bigger gang. We would all have to carry guns at all times and kill anybody we considered to be a threat. Society would revert to feudalism, we would live in armed groups and be back in the dark ages.

Our police may not be perfect, but the vast majority of them carry our right and ability to live as civilized people, in their pockets every day they go to work.

Gangs however, deal in rape, murder, extortion, Chinese supplied drugs, girls, and more. THEY, not the police, deserve our contempt, funnily enough it is our laws, that allow them to proliferate and operate as they do. Because, without the law, people like me, would pick up our guns, and eliminate the problem. Our laws protect them, despite what they are, and don't they know it. I obey our laws even when I dissagree with them because it ( the law) is our only option to have a civilized life on equal terms with everyone else.

I have jumped in and helped in situations turned violent against police officers before now, and wouldn't hesitate in the future. Those that would bang on about the "blue gang" or how they don't need them, would change opinion fast if the boys in blue one day weren't there. I have meet cops I cosidered to be arseholes of enormity, but sometimes it is the job itself that makes them that way, and they are in the minority.

[sinfull]

We live in a democracy, more or less,and the laws are generally intended to protect civilized society that live within them. We mostly know what those laws cover, weather we agree with them or not. Because most civilized people understand and consider the consequences of their actions, they do not break the law and have no consequences.

In fact, the average citizen is disadvantaged because the law representation in our midst (police), day in day out, is undermanned, under resourced and courts trouble with the anti police police ( who need to justify their very existance by carrying out successfull witch hunts against enough police officers to prove they are needed) if they are anything but squeaky clean politically correct.

The average citizen is futher disadvantaged by the court system that chooses to ignore the safety and wellbeing of it's lawfull citizens by applying weak law based penalties against criminals, both white collar and gang and affiliate type scum. The court/legal system in NZ does not dispence JUSTICE, only the law.

That "thin blue line" is all that stops total anarchy and the end of civilization, as we currently know it. The gang scum would murder, rape, assault and steal without penalty other than if they crossed another bigger gang. We would all have to carry guns at all times and kill anybody we considered to be a threat. Society would revert to feudalism, we would live in armed groups and be back in the dark ages.

Our police may not be perfect, but the vast majority of them carry our right and ability to live as civilized people, in their pockets every day they go to work.

Gangs however, deal in rape, murder, extortion, Chinese supplied drugs, girls, and more. THEY, not the police, deserve our contempt, funnily enough it is our laws, that allow them to proliferate and operate as they do. Because, without the law, people like me, would pick up our guns, and eliminate the problem. Our laws protect them, despite what they are, and don't they know it. I obey our laws even when I dissagree with them because it ( the law) is our only option to have a civilized life on equal terms with everyone else.

I have jumped in and helped in situations turned violent against police officers before now, and wouldn't hesitate in the future. Those that would bang on about the "blue gang" or how they don't need them, would change opinion fast if the boys in blue one day weren't there. I have meet cops I cosidered to be arseholes of enormity, but sometimes it is the job itself that makes them that way, and they are in the minority.

And them that make the rules are taking your mentality and running with it, reducing our freedoms for the sake of democracy !
Fear mongering the fuck out of you and me !
The gangs are no worse..... and i dare say less intimidating than they were 30 yrs ago, but all of a sudden they need to be oppressed, Yeah ? You agree, because the media and your ever vigilant oppressor says they need to be !

And another little bit of freedom is taken !

[The Reibz]

Support your local 1% MC

[Berries]

I think patches are a good idea

This does disturb me.

How the fuck will I give up smoking now?

[Ulsterkiwi]

nooooohoohohoooo.
The 'law of the land' has FUKEN NOTHING to do with parliament. The law of the land binds everyone equally.
LEGISLATION is the shit parliament cranks out, its company policy, but i aint an employee.

You might be happy with mob rule, but i dont accept it. I dont grant you jurisdiction over me.

Funny enough, total number of times ive had my house done over by 'criminal gangs' and my shit taken: 0.
Number of times the police have forcibly entered my private property and taken my shit: 3.
So. Who am i more worried about theft without recourse?

legislation is what determines the laws on the statute books, MPs are otherwise known as lawmakers, how are the two seperate? Do I like every law? of course not! Can I decide which I adhere to and those I do not? Sure, its called being a criminal, those who break the law are lawbreakers, criminals. Semantics I know but there you have it. In theory the police enforce the law, it isnt supposed to matter whether they like it or not. You would be right however to say it doesnt always work like that in practice. The idea behind democracy is that everyone has a voice, its not perfect but what do you suggest? a national referendum every time a decision needs to be made? Mobs do not answer to reason or logic, by definition those making up mobs do not think for themselves or apply any moral or ethical thinking to their actions, nor (most importantly) do they take any responsibility for their actions. I have seen what mobs can do. Here is the problem, lack of responsibilty for actions. Like I said before, if you do not like the laws, change your lawmakers and make it plain to them what it is you do want. Take responsibility, dont sit on the fringes and bitch.
I respect your desire to decide who has authority over you, that is your right, but if you want to be part of a society where you can work, trade, make use of goods and services, get help when needed and offer your goods and services for remuneration then you must sumbit to SOME authority. Every culture has this, someone has to be in charge, but being in charge means you have responsibility for those you are in charge of, if you dont do a good job, some other bugger will take your place. tough titties.
If you choose to opt out thats fine, just dont expect to get anything from the society and structures you hold in contempt.

[Fastmark]

I find it really hard to believe that this or any government in NZ or the police have any desire to oppress anyone. I grew up in a place where holding the "wrong" political beliefs meant you could disappear never to be seen again or be shot or blown up on the way to work. I find it amazing when those in my adopted country consider the NZ state and its organisations in any way oppressive. It is only the freedom we enjoy here that allows us the cushion of such thinking.[/QUOTE]

Hit the nail on the head there my man. Like you I am fresh off the boat from Pommieland (been here 4 years) and the freedom given here is way ahead of the CCTV up your nose everywhere you go UK. Given that the UK also has gangs, Hells Angels etc. you very rarely here about them, only when its a slow news day and some old grandma got a fright when a leather clad biker (therefore must be a Hells Angel) looked at her in a funny way.

Now I ride a bike because I love riding a bike, not because I can use it as a form of intimidation by riding like a complete twat ignoring any semblance of road courtesy, they'll cut up another bike rider as much as anyone else, based on personal experience, just because of who they are.

There I feel better now