Only blue gang patches and vests allowed. And shit

**scissorhands** · 9th August 2013, 09:23

I saw some Harleys and some cops cars at the pub one day

**unstuck** · 9th August 2013, 09:30

Originally Posted by scissorhands

I saw some Harleys and some cops cars at the pub one day

I saw a cop doing a burnout on his harley outside the pub one day.

**willytheekid** · 9th August 2013, 09:40

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9015...ed-to-harm-him
...some fucked in the head kid ever threatened to burn my family & home like that...a job sure as shit isn't what I'd be giving him

...and yet our local Chch popo are trying to help this screw up turn his life around...go figure!

such a gang mentality!

**Murray** · 9th August 2013, 09:46

Originally Posted by Akzle

Number of times the police have forcibly entered my private property and taken my shit: 3.

Just to highlight the problem please advise what "shit" they took???

**Banditbandit** · 9th August 2013, 09:58

Originally Posted by Ulsterkiwi

I have a question. If we accept not all gang members are bad people (they are just people after all) is there anything the gangs can do to change how they are perceived or does the remainder of non-gang society just have to suck it up and not have their fears or concerns addressed?

Who says gangs want to change ??? They trade on the image they have created ...

Originally Posted by sinfull

I have a question, which guy, who may or may not come and stand next to my daughter, while she's standing at say a bus stop, is the gang member who has to rape to earn his patch and which is not ?

Who says rape is an entrrey requirement??? The police claim it is - some members may say it is - but are they telling the truth or are they hyping their image ??? It's in their own interest to hype their image

Now, I'm not claimingt all members are innocent - I know two who committed rape to go inside so they could be with the president who had just been sent down ... but that was not to earn their patch ... they were senior memebrs by then (Nomads)

Yes, some of them aere hard nasty bastards I wouldn't be in the same room with - others are perfectly OK and basically normal if rebellious ... and a litle crazy

One of my friends was a prospect who was rebuilding his bike .. the cub said "If you love you bike we'll give you a patch" He said "I do love my bike" The club said "Prove it - fuck your bike." So he put his dick through the steering head and had an orgasm in front of the club - they gave him his patch ...

Originally Posted by Ulsterkiwi

which is exactly the kind of fear I was meaning, we are told this is what is required for people to get into gangs, yet the gangs say thats bull and they arent really bad and the government and the police are out to get them and its not fair and so on and so on......

Yes - exactly. Some gangs are really bad - and attract psychos, sociopaths and psychopaths ... especially the street gangs - and the exiles from the street gangs such as the Nomads (who basically don't exist any more) and MM Notorious ...

There is a range amongst the biker clubs - the older ones are OK (usually) but the newer ones such as The Road Knights - are a pain in the arse ... but hey all get tarred with the same brush ...

My question rephrased would be "what are the gangs going to do to change how they are perceived given they are not perceived in a good way?"

Why would they want to change ??? They see themselves as outlaws .. a while ago the Government was going to outlaw the clubs - I thought Fuck me ... the Governmetn is going to legitimize the status the clubs already claim !!! How ironic !!!

**unstuck** · 9th August 2013, 10:14

Originally Posted by willytheekid

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9015...ed-to-harm-him
...some fucked in the head kid ever threatened to burn my family & home like that...a job sure as shit isn't what I'd be giving him

...and yet our local Chch popo are trying to help this screw up turn his life around...go figure!

such a gang mentality!

Good to see some positivity amongst all the negativity. Cheers willy.

**Akzle** · 9th August 2013, 10:17

Originally Posted by Murray

Just to highlight the problem please advise what "shit" they took???

beyond the scope or point of this thread.
The problem highlighted isthey infringed against their own legislation to do it.

**unstuck** · 9th August 2013, 10:21

Bastards took all my weed, Im sure they made it into tinnys and were selling it to the dealers they leave alone.

**scissorhands** · 9th August 2013, 11:33

Originally Posted by unstuck

Bastards took all my weed, Im sure they made it into tinnys and were selling it to the dealers they leave alone.

was it good shit? maybe they kept it for themselves....

**unstuck** · 9th August 2013, 11:45

Originally Posted by scissorhands

was it good shit? maybe they kept it for themselves....

Only ever grew good shit.

I got caught coming back from port waikato years ago with weed on me, and on the way from the police station in pukekohe to the courthouse in papakura the next day, the cop who was driving said that was some good shit I had and that him and his missus had to smoke it through a water bong. The bastards.

**Akzle** · 9th August 2013, 15:16

Originally Posted by Ulsterkiwi

legislation is what determines the laws on the statute books, MPs are otherwise known as lawmakers, how are the two seperate?

without getting to "god" on it, LAW is god's law. LAW cannot be broken. the LAWs of physics, the LAWs of nature. like i sais, the law binds all men equally, it does not discriminate rich or poor, you wont "get off on a techniciality".

legislation/statute is regulatory "law" and, if you read any legislation, you'll find it is NOT "law" but is "given the force of law"

Do I like every law? of course not! Can I decide which I adhere to and those I do not? Sure, its called being a criminal,

further demonstrating your ignorance of law. to be a criminal, a crime must have been committed, for a crime to have been committed, there needs to be an injured party.

MOST bullshit that goes through court, including but maybe especially traffic infringements, are actually civil cases.

n theory the police enforce the law, it isnt supposed to matter whether they like it or not. You would be right however to say it doesnt always work like that in practice.

The idea behind democracy is that everyone has a voice, its not perfect but what do you suggest? a national referendum every time a decision needs to be made?

a) that would be better, refer swiss democracy. b) no, i suggest an abcense of governance. that everyone basically lives by "the law", which has nothing to do with travelling at 101km an hour.
honor the 10 commandments, the 7 pillars, whatever. it's written in every faith, and, i believe, in every human's DNA. but basically comes down to :do no harm, don't lie
if you can think of any more laws that are required, i'd be interested to know.

Mobs do not answer to reason or logic, by definition those making up mobs do not think for themselves or apply any moral or ethical thinking to their actions, nor (most importantly) do they take any responsibility for their actions. I have seen what mobs can do. Here is the problem, lack of responsibilty for actions.

so, you've just described the situation....

Like I said before, if you do not like the laws, change your lawmakers and make it plain to them what it is you do want. Take responsibility, dont sit on the fringes and bitch.

i'm not on any fringe. i honor only one lawmaker, and that is the maker of law, and i don't need or want to change those laws (although i could do with a respite from gravity every now and then)
i do not honor not any of legislature. so unless you're acting on the authority or god, or that i've consented to it, any harm you do against me is unlawful, and illegal (under the contract law system nz suffers) which includes enforcing other (lower) court's "law" on me...
i take responsibility for everything i do, or fail to do, which in no way has me accountable under any jurisdiction but the highest's.

but if you want to be part of a society where you can work, trade, make use of goods and services, get help when needed and offer your goods and services for remuneration then you must sumbit to SOME authority.

a) i don't want to be part of "nz society" so next time you're having a society meeting, let them know eh?
b) why? is a workman not worthy of his hire? why should that impose any responsibility or onus on him beyond completing the work/trade, and accepting due consideration therefor?, why should he be levied or taxed for his time, from an absent third party in no-way contributing to the work?
why mann?!

but being in charge means you have responsibility for those you are in charge of,

and this is probably one of "white society's" biggest failings. there is no responsibility, at the top or anywhere else. people elect to have other people make decisions for them, so they don't have to take responsibility and can sit at home pissing and moaning about the government.

If you choose to opt out thats fine, just dont expect to get anything from the society and structures you hold in contempt.

okay, i do choose, thanks very much, so, err, where do i sign so that your society will leave me the fuck alone?

Originally Posted by 300weatherby

the laws are generally intended to protect civilized society that live within them.

failing number 1: the legislation does not grant anyone any more rights than they had before the legislation was written. 2: the laws whatever you may believe their intent, do not protect anyone. refer "getting off on a technicality", it is my firmest belief that the statute exists for the purpose of seemingly voluntary enslavement.

We mostly know what those laws cover, weather we agree with them or not. Because most civilized people understand and consider the consequences of their actions, they do not break the law and have no consequences.

sooooo... everyone who is falsely charged, imprisoned etc..... i sense a "greater good" argument coming on.
it's not a matter of "civilisation" how does my travelling 180km and hour affect anyone?... how does my smoking a fat doobie affect anyone? or having excess breath alcohol in public? i sense a "what if...." coming on.

In fact, the average citizen is disadvantaged because the law representation in our midst (police), day in day out, is undermanned, under resourced and courts trouble with the anti police police ( who need to justify their very existance by carrying out successfull witch hunts against enough police officers to prove they are needed) if they are anything but squeaky clean politically correct.

can you point to one -just one- place where they have no police? and then can you tell me the "crime statistics" for that place. so far it seems there's a direct correlation between having police, and having crime.

The court/legal system in NZ does not dispence JUSTICE, only the law.

on this at least we can agree.

That "thin blue line" is all that stops total anarchy and the end of civilization, as we currently know it. The gang scum would murder, rape, assault and steal without penalty other than if they crossed another bigger gang. We would all have to carry guns at all times and kill anybody we considered to be a threat. Society would revert to feudalism, we would live in armed groups and be back in the dark ages.

what a sad life you lead.
do you really believe that is what would happen? a sad and telling indictment on your fellow man...

Our police may not be perfect, but the vast majority of them carry our right and ability to live as civilized people, in their pockets every day they go to work.

no, i don't reckon. the police have never -ever- helped me or anyone i know. car crashes, burglaries, lost/stolen property, etc etc etc. not once.

Gangs however, deal in rape, murder, extortion, Chinese supplied drugs, girls, and more. THEY, not the police, deserve our contempt,

i guess i find it hard to contempt gangs, given that they've never done me any harm, they dont try telling me how to live, or drive, they don't threaten to lock me up if i dont want to associate with them, they've never tried stealing (seizing) my property while we "discuss" the rightness of my paying them some arbitrary amount to drive when and where i like.
no, on the whole, the "criminal" gangs haven't done me any harm.

without the law, people like me, would pick up our guns, and eliminate the problem. Our laws protect them, despite what they are,

you say that like it's a good thing. surely you dishing out some "natural justice" would be a far more effective deterrent than the current, hrm?
(in fact, in a state in the us where they made it mandatory for every householder to keep a firearm, burglaries decreased 60% the following year, go figure)

I obey our laws even when I dissagree with them because it ( the law) is our only option to have a civilized life on equal terms with everyone else.

again, a sad indictment on your view of your neighbour and brother-man.
we're on equal terms are we? so i'm entitled to your house? you're entitled to my wife? i can have your pay? you can have my work?
no mate, while you may tout "equality" as being of "law", it isn't.
you're fucking glad you weren't born black, and you're probably slightly miffed you weren't born a rothschild, you want the plane, and the cars and shit, and while you, good middle class subject, may have "equal" opportunity to achieve those things, it's going to be a shitload harder for you to get em, cos you aint born a rich jew.
the current system supports the caste, supports the gap between rich and poor, and supports the rich fullstop.
in the same way that a retard will never be a CEO, women rarely are, and blacks, well, who gives a fuck, there is no equality under the current system.

Those that would bang on about the "blue gang" or how they don't need them, would change opinion fast if the boys in blue one day weren't there.

no the fuck i wouldn't. because i don't expect them to be, i don't expect they're going to catch criminals, i don't expect they're going to save lives, or reduce road fatalities, i don't expect ANYTHING, from the PO, and so far, i've got less than what i expect. so they're scoring in the negative.

**Maha** · 9th August 2013, 16:10

''If we accept not all gang members are bad people''

Fully inducted ones are, gang patches are not handed out for attending school gala's as clown boy.
I had a cousin in Napier that use to ride with a gang in the 70's, aunty would say '' ohhh Carl is nice boy, he gave me brand new TV the other day'' come on aunty, receiving stolen goods is against the law

Be it petty theft or a crime of the worst kind, gang members are not picky, some are just more ruthless than others.

Prospects and conforming wanna be's are just low self esteemed bitches willing to suck cock to get a patch.