O Noes! My "normal" marriage is worthless as of today!

**Edbear** · 21st August 2013, 13:16

Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase

My understanding (from very limited research) is that nowhere in the bible is it (homosexuality) mentioned, much less condemned.

Even if I am incorrect in that, presumably if one adheres to that proscription, one adheres to all of them? No shellfish, no pork, no shaving, no wearing clothes made out of two types of fibres, no tattoos &c?

Or is it a menu, where you can pick and choose which part of the Bronze age fairy tale to believe or not believe, obey or not obey?

1 Cor. 6:9 What! Do you not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom. 11 And yet that is what some of you were.

The Mosaic Law was specifically for Israel and was done away with after Christ fulfilled the Law. It's pupose was to lead the Nation to the Messiah. Some if its laws were retained for Christians, the NT contains all that Christians should abide by now.

**Edbear** · 21st August 2013, 13:18

Originally Posted by bogan

I'm not, which is why I said 'in this case'. As in, in this case it stacks up with all the other evidence around so I conclude they do not have some conspiracy theory at work; just what is your theory by the way?

Who mentioned conspiracy theories?

All you need to do is watch the box to see how the media portray it.

**Edbear** · 21st August 2013, 13:20

Originally Posted by avgas

Sorry just had to repost this. Fits the thread so well.

You're a sick man, avgas...

**Crasherfromwayback** · 21st August 2013, 13:21

Seriously...how or why would we/could we take anyone seriously that believes in the ramblings of the bible?

**bogan** · 21st August 2013, 13:24

Originally Posted by Edbear

Who mentioned conspiracy theories?

All you need to do is watch the box to see how the media portray it.

Your conspiracy theory is that they are portraying something that is not the majority view, as such; why would they do that?

**Banditbandit** · 21st August 2013, 13:30

Originally Posted by Edbear

1 Cor. 6:9 [I]
The Mosaic Law was specifically for Israel and was done away with after Christ fulfilled the Law. It's pupose was to lead the Nation to the Messiah. Some if its laws were retained for Christians, the NT contains all that Christians should abide by now.

Matthew 5:17-20

In the Sermon on the Mount - Jesus is asked about the laws of the Pentatuch and replies ...

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. "

So ... "until all is accomplished" the Mosaic Laws still stand - and the person who does not follow the Mosaic Laws will be called the least in heaven ... at least tyou will not burn in Hell for failing to eat kosher food, for failing to make blood sacrifices ... etc etc ... you will get to heaven - but be the least there ...

Ed - as far as I can see you are picking and chosing what to follow ...

**Edbear** · 21st August 2013, 13:31

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Seriously...how or why would we/could we take anyone seriously that believes in the ramblings of the bible?

You're confusing the Bible as having anything to do with organised religion. It should be plainly obvious that the churches do not in any way represent the Bible. They are polar opposites. I have no regard for Christendom at all and completely understand why anyone would be adverse to religion as it is portrayed and by its record.

The Bible, in fact, condemns the churches and justifiably so.

**Edbear** · 21st August 2013, 13:37

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Matthew 5:17-20

In the Sermon on the Mount - Jesus is asked about the laws of the Pentatuch and replies ...

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. "

So ... "until all is accomplished" the Mosaic Laws still stand - and the person who does not follow the Mosaic Laws will be called the least in heaven ... at least tyou will not burn in Hell for failing to eat kosher food, for failing to make blood sacrifices ... etc etc ... you will get to heaven - but be the least there ...

Ed - as far as I can see you are picking and chosing what to follow ...

At risk of getting this PD'd I would just like to say I am not mistaken. I'll just post one small verse and if anyone wants to know more, perhaps they should ask the question in the RR thread.

Eph. 2:15 "By means of his flesh he abolished the enmity, the Law of commandments consisting in decrees..."

**Banditbandit** · 21st August 2013, 13:43

Originally Posted by bogan

Your conspiracy theory is that they are portraying something that is not the majority view, as such; why would they do that?

Because the news media is owned, run and produced by the ruling elite - and it is in their interestes to keep society as the pool from which they gain their wealth ...

The news media also say what training occurs in journalism schools - so new journalists are not trained to report what happens - they are trained to put on the spin that the ruling elite wish ...

it is in the interests of the ruling elite to have a compliant workforce to earn them money ... (At one point a lot of our news media was owned by Irish businessman Tony O'Reilly - who also owned Watties canneries ... do you really think he is in the information service business or the money making business???

A newspaper is a carefully crafted consumer product - designed so that people in dairies impulse buy and designed so that subscribers believe they are being told information they need to hear ... the TV and radio news is designed to attract as big an audience as possible so that the broadcast media can sell advertising slots at a premium becuase they have a bigger audience at that time ...

That is not true ... there is bugger all in a newspaper we need to hear ... it is all the propoganda bullshit of the ruling elite ...

**Banditbandit** · 21st August 2013, 13:44

Originally Posted by Edbear

At risk of getting this PD'd I would just like to say I am not mistaken. I'll just post one small verse and if anyone wants to know more, perhaps they should ask the question in the RR thread.

Eph. 2:15 "By means of his flesh he abolished the enmity, the Law of commandments consisting in decrees..."

Yeeessss ... hmm ... Mathew is Jesus's words ... Ephesians is an interpretation - I'll stick with the words of the man himself ...

**Edbear** · 21st August 2013, 13:46

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Yeeessss ... hmm ... Mathew is Jesus's words ... Ephesians is an interpretation - I'll stick with the words of the man himself ...

Fairynuff, I'll post his words in RR.

**bogan** · 21st August 2013, 13:48

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

Because the news media is owned, run and produced by the ruling elite - and it is in their interestes to keep society as the pool from which they gain their wealth ...

The news media also say what training occurs in journalism schools - so new journalists are not trained to report what happens - they are trained to put on the spin that the ruling elite wish ...

it is in the interests of the ruling elite to have a compliant workforce to earn them money ... (At one point a lot of our news media was owned by Irish businessman Tony O'Reilly - who also owned Watties canneries ... do you really think he is in the information service business or the money making business???

A newspaper is a carefully crafted consumer product - designed so that people in dairies impulse buy and designed so that subscribers believe they are being told information they need to hear ... the TV and radio news is designed to attract as big an audience as possible so that the broadcast media can sell advertising slots at a premium becuase they have a bigger audience at that time ...

That is not true ... there is bugger all in a newspaper we need to hear ... it is all the propoganda bullshit of the ruling elite ...

But wouldn't it be in a ruling class's favor not to promote equality, so the peasants squabble amongst themselves instead of asking why the rulers rule?

**ellipsis** · 21st August 2013, 13:51

...I just checked my Bible and it mentions nothing about mens bottoms...it has a bit to say about big ends and slogged out bushes and carb balancing...

I added a bit on the fly cover to bring it up to speed which reads,

" Any person fitting ape-hangers and sissy bars to a Sportster needs fucking in the arse, married or not"