Research on motorcyclists, pillions, and non-riders

[Swoop]

http://iforce.co.nz/i/nj5ylnpv.3s3.png

??? "Chest Air bags"???

I guess when the Mrs is on the back? When riding solo = no.

[mdutton27]

Banditbandit, this is only one aspect of the project. As for mixing qualitative and quantitive research, you can easily do a PhD on that topic alone. Mixed methods research can be useful as long as you are aware of the limitations. As for why you ride, you could easily write in pure rebellion in the Other field we left for you.

I thought that some of it showed that the researcher did not really understand motorcyclists - the question/answer groupings didn't give a good match for why I rode ... for instance, I wanted to say I rode bikes a pure rebellion - but could not say that ... that kind of answer means that no authority figure or Government deparment is going to influenc my riding/bike purchases - because if they try then I rebel ..

I was also a little unsure at times whether the questions were aimed at qualitative or quantitative research - and sometimes I thought they were mixing the two .. which is not good


It was just a little underdone at times ... A reseach supervisor with a better understanding of motorcycling would have improved it ... I might let it go as a Masters level research project, but not at a PhD level project.


Is it realy bad enough to rate a three-page thread rant ???

[Drew]

The survey at a basic level, implies that the powers that be intend to make certain "safety" devices mandatory.

The majority of riders think that rider training, and proper skills assessment is the best course of action for lowering our injury and death per rider rates. Most of those who are helping ACC in the quest to achieve this are in agreement.

So I am confused. If the message is clear, and would be effective by cost and results measure, WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE WASTING TIME ON THIS SHIT FOR?

I'm getting angry about it obviously. Being ignored will do that to me.

Ranting on here will do nothing of course, but I'm a sucker for exercising in futility....Figuratively speaking of course. I avoid actual exercise like the plague.

[Paul in NZ]

Gawd - such strong emotions for one little survey....

I doubt its going to change much and yes a lot of it seems to be slanted towards risk taking and items such as ABS. I suspects there is a good reason for that.

Of course there might not be but FFS calm down and offer constructive criticisim instead of going off the deep end. No wonder ACC and the like don't engage with motorcyclists...

If its of any help. The fact is most of my riding is completed on an old motorcycle. No - I have no idea why I like it - I just do... There are no modern accessories capable of being retro fitted to a drum braked monstrosity like that so its down to me and some decent gear.

Sigh...

[Drew]

Banditbandit, this is only one aspect of the project. As for mixing qualitative and quantitive research, you can easily do a PhD on that topic alone. Mixed methods research can be useful as long as you are aware of the limitations.

I think you are trying to bulshit us more. Given the way you have conducted yourself thus far, that's not going to change.

As for why you ride, you could easily write in pure rebellion in the Other field we left for you.

Telling someone you are rebelling, defeats the purpose a bit. You couldn't see the irony when it was spelled out for you, and I assume you are meant to be an educated man.

I really should have given more thought to higher education, it seems it's easier than I imagined.

[mdutton27]

Hello Drew, from what I know there is no push to make "safety" devices mandatory, but there is interest into what makes someone purchase a safety device. Safety devices are only one aspect that can make riders safer. We are well aware of other issues affecting riders; rider conspicuity, line painting, asphalt composition, vehicular blindsight, fatigue, etc. We plan on furthering our research as we move forward and having conversations around those topics, but right now we are starting out of the gate with understanding how motorcyclists perceive risk and safety.

The survey at a basic level, implies that the powers that be intend to make certain "safety" devices mandatory.

The majority of riders think that rider training, and proper skills assessment is the best course of action for lowering our injury and death per rider rates. Most of those who are helping ACC in the quest to achieve this are in agreement.

So I am confused. If the message is clear, and would be effective by cost and results measure, WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE WASTING TIME ON THIS SHIT FOR?

I'm getting angry about it obviously. Being ignored will do that to me.

Ranting on here will do nothing of course, but I'm a sucker for exercising in futility....Figuratively speaking of course. I avoid actual exercise like the plague.

[Drew]

so its down to me and some decent gear.

Sigh...

The bottom line, right there!

Even with the aides currently becoming mainstreem, nothing changes.

But lets waste a fuck load more tax payers money, before we address it.

[Drew]

Hello Drew, from what I know there is no push to make "safety" devices mandatory, but there is interest into what makes someone purchase a safety device. Safety devices are only one aspect that can make riders safer. We are well aware of other issues affecting riders; rider conspicuity, line painting, asphalt composition, vehicular blindsight, fatigue, etc. We plan on furthering our research as we move forward and having conversations around those topics, but right now we are starting out of the gate with understanding how motorcyclists perceive risk and safety.

Alright, lets say I buy that.

What possible reason could understanding the risk assessment of the average biker, is there?

"But right now we're starting out of the gate"...A third of the way down the track. The back tracking will make any progress moot, if riders are trained to see what it is they're meant to perceive as a risk in the first place.

Sod it. I'm not enjoying making a cunt of myself for once, I'm out.

[Banditbandit]

Banditbandit, this is only one aspect of the project. As for mixing qualitative and quantitive research, you can easily do a PhD on that topic alone. Mixed methods research can be useful as long as you are aware of the limitations.

Yes - that's true. And the distinction between the two groupings is becoming irrelevant in the current post-post modernist research approaches. Like I said - I was unsure of what you were doing. I would like to see how you intend to analyze the data before I comment further.

As for why you ride, you could easily write in pure rebellion in the Other field we left for you.

Human behaviour around the way such questions are framed should tell you that some of us do not use those boxes ... clicking on a cicle to indicate choice is one thing. Writing words in a survey we have been told is quick and easy does not take much time is another thing ...

As has been pointed out - your results will be skewed and not that reliable ... you wil need a huge number of responses to even it out and get reliable results - a biger nukber than, I suspect, of total bike riders in GodZone ..

But then I only came here to tell the rest they were a pack of moaners .. I did the survey - it was interesting .. love to see your results .. but I suspect I will a) not like your findings because 2) your results wil be a litle skewed ...

[Banditbandit]

I really should have given more thought to higher education, it seems it's easier than I imagined.

: Yes - you should have - I work in it so that must tell you something ... tho' I've always had a somewhat turbulent relationship with education (I've dropped out of three universities and graduated from one - and that one more than once) and I find it somewhat ironic that the kid at the back of the class who was always getting kicked out and sent to the principal's office wound up as the teacher at the front ...

[Banditbandit]

Hello Drew, from what I know there is no push to make "safety" devices mandatory, but there is interest into what makes someone purchase a safety device. Safety devices are only one aspect that can make riders safer. We are well aware of other issues affecting riders; rider conspicuity, line painting, asphalt composition, vehicular blindsight, fatigue, etc. We plan on furthering our research as we move forward and having conversations around those topics, but right now we are starting out of the gate with understanding how motorcyclists perceive risk and safety.

Why are you and your organisation and whoever contracted you - so interested in motorcycle safety ??? when clearly a majority of motorcyclists have only a limited concern for safety - ATGATT, good tyres, excellent brakes - and bugger all else??? Motorcycling is a higher risk occupation - we accept that - for some of us it is why we do it ...

Why are you all so concerned with OUR welfare ???

[babysteps]

mdutton27 - The most dangerous thing about riding motorbikes is idiots in cars. That's all you need for your research

Perhaps you could recommend that they have to go through a graduated license based on power to weight ratio also. Would probably lower the road toll by half.

[Drew]

mdutton27 - The most dangerous thing about riding motorbikes is idiots in cars. That's all you need for your research

Perhaps you could recommend that they have to go through a graduated license based on power to weight ratio also. Would probably lower the road toll by half.

Darwin suggests, we let you carry on with this fucken geniuis thinking! But it makes the rest of us look bad.

Do not shirk the responsibilty of your own safety. The fucking up of others is to be expected, so it can be controlled if you have your shit together.

Go through the search function, and look for all of Katman's posts. Eliminate the crap about buildings falling down, and open your mind to his blunt delivery methods.

[Paul in NZ]

mdutton27 - The most dangerous thing about riding motorbikes is idiots in cars. That's all you need for your research
.

Or it could be that the research has indicated that this is infact not 100% true.... There are a significant amount of accidents where the motorcycle has simply fallen over on a bend or gone off the road. Yes - cars and idiots driving cars are a significant hazard and one way of addressing this is asking if ABS / air bags whatever help to mitigate this risk.

[babysteps]

Settle down there sunny, I don't 'shirk the responsibility of your own safety' my bikes are well maintained, I wear ATGATT and I ride like a nana. The majority of Road Bike accidents are people falling off the road (our problem) and 'I'm sorry I didn't see you" accidents. (Thats from ACC by the way.)

A graduated license for cars is a great idea m8, but then I guess your happy with your 18 year old kid doing burnouts in a 300hp WRX?