Research on motorcyclists, pillions, and non-riders

[Banditbandit]

Yes - go here and read this

http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...facts-2012.pdf

Things have changed ... motorcyclists are now only 9% of road crashes - down from 21% in the mid-1980s ... and a reading of the pie chart on responsibility (page 4) shows motorcyclists were responsible for 53% of all motorcycle crashes .. other drivers responsible for 36% and in 8% of crashes some resonsibility was on the motorcylist ...

We can't blame other for our fuck ups any more ...

[Paul in NZ]

Settle down there sunny, I don't 'shirk the responsibility of your own safety' my bikes are well maintained, I wear ATGATT and I ride like a nana. The majority of Road Bike accidents are people falling off the road (our problem) and 'I'm sorry I didn't see you" accidents. (Thats from ACC by the way.)

A graduated license for cars is a great idea m8, but then I guess your happy with your 18 year old kid doing burnouts in a 300hp WRX?

Yup - quite settled thanks to a very comfy chair and I try to remain sunny but I think you might mean sonny?

I can feel you bristling with indignation but thats not my intent. If I look back on 40+ years of continuous riding I have never observed an accident where a car was the sole cause yet I have picked innumerable people from ditches, banks and out of gutters. I'm not saying they don't happen but when they do the bike is usually single rather than in a group so its hardly surprising. But couple this with a historical and understandable reluctance of riders to admit that they screwed up (the insurance implications alone encourage a not my fault line) but I think idiot car drivers are not quite the threat we say they are.

Balanced against this personal view is that I don't ride in cities much and I live in a small town.

[Ender EnZed]

Perhaps you could recommend that they have to go through a graduated license based on power to weight ratio also. Would probably lower the road toll by half.

If they were allowed the same 150kW/T that bikes are then it would only affect an extremely small proportion of learner drivers.

[Katman]

.....and 'I'm sorry I didn't see you" accidents. (Thats from ACC by the way.)

I wonder how many of those accidents were a failure of both parties to "see" the other.

[Conquiztador]

Let's not fool our selves here. In todays political climate any research done re accidents and safety is done to find out how costs can be reduced and responsibility/blame moved on to others. Normally the research would be used as a basis for new regulations restricting the enjoyment, increasing the cost and giving the authority new ways of punishing anyone who does not agree. As a total cynic I would go as far as to state that whoever is funding these surveys have already indicated what result they are looking for as they are on the look for a reason to implement the next draconic measure to limit our freedom.

[Katman]

Let's not fool our selves here. In todays political climate any research done re accidents and safety is done to find out how costs can be reduced and responsibility/blame moved on to others. Normally the research would be used as a basis for new regulations restricting the enjoyment, increasing the cost and giving the authority new ways of punishing anyone who does not agree. As a total cynic I would go as far as to state that whoever is funding these surveys have already indicated what result they are looking for as they are on the look for a reason to implement the next draconic measure to limit our freedom.

I think you're absolutely right and that's why I have been saying for quite some time that we should get our shit together and stop falling over so often.

[The Reibz]

I would rather spend cash on making my shit go faster than my body safer.
The way I see it, at some of the speeds we travel at we are fucked regardless. At the 2013 busa launch alpinestars had a airbag suit on display. It was worth over $10,000, thats a new bike or a extra 200hp with a turbo setup. Only cunts with high vis shoelaces and helmet straps would consider buying one.

Again, THIS CLOWN IS A ACC PUPPET. TROLL HIS QUESTIONARE

[Banditbandit]

I think you're absolutely right and that's why I have been saying for quite some time that we should get our shit together and stop falling over so often.

And you still believe that is possible ?? With this bunch of anti-authoritarian, individualistic, anarchic bike riders ???

Well - we do all have our dreams ..

[Murray]

mdutton27 - The most dangerous thing about riding motorbikes is idiots in cars. That's all you need for your research

Don't forget bus'es and trucks which seem to have featured in a large accidents this year - perhaps we can have a survey why trucks feature so often???

[Katman]

And you still believe that is possible ?? With this bunch of anti-authoritarian, individualistic, anarchic bike riders ???

Well - we do all have our dreams ..

Are you suggesting that anti-authoritarian, individualistic, anarchic bike riders are too stupid to know that crashes hurt?

[babysteps]

Not indignation at all, I am fully aware that we are our own worst enemy when it comes to accidents. My statement could have been clearer. I can control how I ride but the biggest external factor we face is poor driving from people in cars. Surely you can all see that?

I challenge you to come spend a day riding around Christchurch

Yup - quite settled thanks to a very comfy chair and I try to remain sunny but I think you might mean sonny?

I can feel you bristling with indignation but thats not my intent. If I look back on 40+ years of continuous riding I have never observed an accident where a car was the sole cause yet I have picked innumerable people from ditches, banks and out of gutters. I'm not saying they don't happen but when they do the bike is usually single rather than in a group so its hardly surprising. But couple this with a historical and understandable reluctance of riders to admit that they screwed up (the insurance implications alone encourage a not my fault line) but I think idiot car drivers are not quite the threat we say they are.

Balanced against this personal view is that I don't ride in cities much and I live in a small town.

[Katman]

I can control how I ride but the biggest external factor we face is poor driving from people in cars. Surely you can all see that?

That external factor is only one that we face when riding.

It's just another factor to allow for when doing so.

[Bald Eagle]

Tried the survey, total boredom fail.
So that's what my MSAC $30 is paying for.

Nothing of value to see here folks, move along please.

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[jellywrestler]

We are well aware of other issues affecting riders; rider conspicuity, line painting, asphalt composition, vehicular blindsight, fatigue, etc.

seems a bit like you entirely forgot other road users and their behaviour on the road and their ignorance when it comes to dropping deisel etc....
bit one sided as we thought

[Str8 Jacket]

Tried the survey, total boredom fail.
So that's what my MSAC $30 is paying for.

Nothing of value to see here folks, move along please.

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