Kenya bombing

[Oscar]

Just in case you forgot, some more of the carnage inflicted.

If you bothered to cast your eyes down the list you will have seen this is spreading throughout the world.
Its like a cancer.

Gee, that's terrible.
It's a good thing that Isreal and the USA didn't ramp things up by doing shit like shelling Gaza with phosperous shells, or using drones to kill wedding parties in Pakistan...oh, wait a minute...

[T.W.R]

Send the Poms in so they can do a second instalment of their Scorched Earth Policy that worked so well in South Africa during the Boer War flatten everything, 150K+ in concentration camps and nearly 28K fatalities of women & children at the end of it all

[awa355]

I don't know - maybe its just me getting old and fearful but I have a very bad feeling about all of this..

This ongoing war by Islamic extremists has the potential to tear the world apart and burn the whole thing to cinders.

Sigh....

I have to agree with this outlook. In a few years most of northern Africa will be Islamic dominated. Also spreading through out SE Asia and east Europe to a far greater degree than they are now.

What amazes me is how so many idiots can get swept up in an idealogy that delivers little in the ways of humanity, compassion and tolerance to others.

[SMOKEU]

I have to agree with this outlook. In a few years most of northern Africa will be Islamic dominated. Also spreading through out SE Asia and east Europe to a far greater degree than they are now.

What amazes me is how so many idiots can get swept up in an idealogy that delivers little in the ways of humanity, compassion and tolerance to others.

It's a bit late for that - North Africa has already been plagued by these unwanted pests that further spread this infectious disease (jizzlam) further south, by the sword. Fucking pigs!

[Banditbandit]

It's a bit late for that - North Africa has already been plagued by these unwanted pests that further spread this infectious disease (jizzlam) further south, by the sword. Fucking pigs!

Oh my .. I seem to remember indigenous groups saying exactly the same thing about Christians ...

[RDJ]

So... the False Moral Equivalence Fairy visits again.

Even stipulating that one thing is the same as another - that was then this is now. Do y'all ever move on? Or is it good to massacre these days because there were massacres in history?

[Banditbandit]

Hang on .. when did I ever say it was good to massacre - let alone justify it by referencing historical events ???

I was suggesting that SmokeU's judgement of Islam mirrored indigenous judgement of Christianity ...

I had hoped we had moved on, but judgemental stances like SmokeU show that people have not moved on at all .. it's the same old shit century after century ...

[SMOKEU]

Oh my .. I seem to remember indigenous groups saying exactly the same thing about Christians ...

Yet Christians don't go around butchering people just because they believe in a slightly different version of the same extremist bullshit, or even not believing it at all.

I am aware of history regarding how violent the Christians were several hundred years ago, but we have moved on from those times and are more civilized today. Except for the extremist pigs.

[Banditbandit]

Yet Christians don't go around butchering people just because they believe in a slightly different version of the same extremist bullshit, or even not believing it at all.

I am aware of history regarding how violent the Christians were several hundred years ago, but we have moved on from those times and are more civilized today. Except for the extremist pigs.

And the same can be said for Islam ... moved on except for the extremists .. (Of which, I admit, there are a few .. just as there are extremist Christians)

[Oscar]

Yet Christians don't go around butchering people just because they believe in a slightly different version of the same extremist bullshit, or even not believing it at all.

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Northern Ireland.
Bosnia.
Recent examples of extremist Christians killing people because they have a slightly diferent view of the great spirit in the sky..

One also wonders where the US would be, politically - if it were not for the Christian right.

[slowpoke]

What ??? You mean eat them ?? I thought we were way passed cannibalsim ...

And to free which holy land? Tell me again .. which religion holds Kenya and Somalia to be "holy land"

Now - I do not particularly condone the actions of these terrorist groups .. but perhaps we should remember Abu Ghraib and the torture conducted there ..

Perhaps we shoud remember how many women and children have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan by American troops ??? Do the western powers really hold the moral high ground ??




How many terroists have been captured, killed, assassinated, how many are lock up in GitMo ??? How many died in the caves of Afghanistan ???



Has there been quater gven? I see no evidence of it ... and does the asame apply to the invaders who kll women and children in these countries???





Unfortunately, and I am not trrying to justify this at all - every dead terroist is a martyr who inspires more of them .. killing them multiplies their numbers.

How about you look at the reaons why these people commit these attacks ... maybe there is another way of dealing with this ??? If you remove the reasosn for their anger and hatred then just maybe we wil be able to stop terrorist attacks ... maybe not the current crop of angry and disaffected people - but we might stop them breeding and multiplying ..

Simple justice will not work ..

Good post.

"We" seem to think ourselves as holding the higher ground yet from "their" perspective it must look so very different:

- There has never been a US President who declared themselves either Atheist or of an alternate faith, with nearly all US Presidents declare themselves as devout Christians.

- Current UK Prime Minister David Cameron is a practising member of the Church of England

- Previous UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown is the son of a Church of Scotland minister and member of the church himself. He gave a rallying speech for all religions to basically treat each other other as you'd like to be treated. Pity he gave it from St Pauls Cathedral which pretty much alienated most of the people he was talking to.

- Tony Blair was said by his political aide to regularly consult the bible when making important decisions, and by being George Dubya's finger puppet co-initiated the Afghanistan clusterfuck we will live with for the foreseeable future.

- Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany, her party is the Christian Democratic Party, and her father is/was a Pastor.

- John Howard, Kevin Rudd, Tony Abbot, Prime Minsiters of Australia are all devoutly Christian, with Abbott attending a theological college and considered becoming a priest.

- our own John Key professes to be agnostic....yet attends church.

So from the other side, the side who aren't welcome in "our" world (I work on an Australian offshore facility and the language regarding refugees/boat people is often "just shoot/sink the fuckers"). It's very much rich/greedy/Christian/white/democracy vs the rest and little wonder extremists go to, well, extremes. Our leaders, military, businesses, and actions have lit the fuse a thousand times over and it's just a matter of waiting for the explosions.

So yell "Exterminate! Exterminate!" like daleks all ya like but it does nothing to help the situation. Realistically it can't even be done, with extremists blending in with rest of the 99.999999% peaceful population, 99.999999% of the time. What are you going to do, shoot everyone? I reckon a few folks would probably say "Yes!".....but just who would "everyone" be? Everyone who doesn't look like you? Everyone in a certain place? Everyone who's not Christian?

As long as it's us vs them, as long as "we" prop up dictators, "we" remove democratically elected leaders, "we" clutch at more and more of the Earth's wealth, "we" put money before mankind, "we" pay more attention to footy scores than holding our leaders to account then we are just adding fuel to the fire.

I in no way shape or form condone any of "their" actions but I can understand why people would want to lash out. Lord knows (excuse the pun) enough people here want to lash out without experiencing even a single moments discomfort other than reading/watching a news report.

[SMOKEU]

And the same can be said for Islam ... moved on except for the extremists .. (Of which, I admit, there are a few .. just as there are extremist Christians)

Look at the scale of things. The media take to terrorism like a Catholic priest to a little boy - they're all over it. If Christians were blowing each other up, or beheading non believers, then why aren't these cases reported in the media? Every day there are new articles in the media about how some sand nigger blew up a mosque from an opposing sect, or how someone snackbared another jihadists head off, or whatever. If you go on certain websites that specialize in showing gore, then why is it that every day there are new fucked up videos about ragheads giving someone the chop or shooting them, yet Christian murder videos are very uncommon. Why?

Ever since the inception of jizzlam, their bullshit has been spread by the sword - not by peace and tolerance.

Northern Ireland.
Bosnia.
Recent examples of extremist Christians killing people because they have a slightly diferent view of the great spirit in the sky..

One also wonders where the US would be, politically - if it were not for the Christian right.

Those cases were not always religiously motivated, but more about political views than anything else. In the majority of white countries, there has been an increasing separation of church and state in the past 100 years. Many Islamic countries base their entire laws on Sharia, and that is the huge difference between them and us. Their whole pathetic, meaningless lives are ruled by their religion, and everything from the food that they eat to the clothes that they wear are heavily influenced by Islam. We often change our laws based on what the masses want, and on societal change. Islamic law doesn't change - what's in the Quran is what goes, and simply attempting to question it often results in receiving the chop. The most basic internationally recognized human rights are blatantly ignored, all because of their "religion".

In most Islamic countries, blasphemy is punishable by either lengthy terms of imprisonment or even death. Name me some Christian countries that still do that. To take the violence and hatred out of Islam is like taking the engine out of a motorbike; it's not longer really a motorbike. Normally I am quite tolerant about the religious beliefs of others, and I really don't give a fuck what anyone says on the matter, but the incredible brutality of Islam is completely unacceptable in this modern day and age.

[Banditbandit]

You're talking about theocracies that follow the Shari'a Law ..

Name them .. come on name the multitude of countries that are Islamic theocracies which enforce Shari'a Law ...

I'll give you a hint - Syria is NOT - Iraq was NOT - the Ba'arth party was secular/socialist - and it is still not .. Pakistan is NOT ... Libya under Gadaffi was NOT

So come on .. name these "many Islamic countries ... "


And Christian's bombing and killing ??? It's in the media al the time ... just it's not called Terrorism ... it's called War, or Police Action .. or 'merika being the world policeman ..

Don't care what it is called - it's Christians killing people ... and they are prolly better at it than any others .. lots of practice ..

[Trade_nancy]

As Egypt, Libya and Syria have recently found out - it isn't too important who is running the show - if there's enough of you - get rid of the leader and implement what you want. If they want what this article suggests - we're in it fairly deep.
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/0...favor-shariah/

[Banditbandit]

I know that you are aware of this stuff .. but it's wiorth repeating ...

Here are the Rules of War as laid down by trhe prophet Mohammed inthe Koran ...

"O people! I charge you with ten rules; learn them well…for your guidance in the battlefield! Do not commit treachery, or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone."


So - I would suggest that the terrorists - who are not following these rules - are not good Moslems .. they kill women, children and aged men for a start ...