False flag chemical attacks in Syria. Just shut your eyes and ignore it like sheep

[Hinny]

,,, you're doing a great job...

OK that was just to get your attention.

Looking back over a few f your comments about this thread and the 911 conspiracy I can see how you may have arrived at the views you hold.
The reason for this in my opinion is due to a lack of knowledge.
The movie I gave a link to earlier may bring you 'up to speed' with the details of the 911 conspiracy.
You may watch it and become better informed or you could continue with willful ignorance and hold dear the opinions you have formed.

Looking at interviews of Bashar al-Assad with Charlie Rose and RT may give you a different perspective of the man the West is demonising in it's attempt to garner public support.
As one commentator said 'He is an impressive man'. Certainly he comes across as a lot more intelligent, empathetic and sensible than any of the US politicians we see.

[Oscar]

OK that was just to get your attention.

Looking back over a few f your comments about this thread and the 911 conspiracy I can see how you may have arrived at the views you hold.
The reason for this in my opinion is due to a lack of knowledge.
The movie I gave a link to earlier may bring you 'up to speed' with the details of the 911 conspiracy.
You may watch it and become better informed or you could continue with willful ignorance and hold dear the opinions you have formed.

The reason for my opinion is that any time I ask a reasonable question, like - why would you have a plan that involved crashing planes into buildings AND blowing them up, I never get an answer.
And if they blew those buildings up, how come no one saw the preparations? All get to that one is "elevator maintenance" - do you know how much explosive is required to bring a building like that down?
But the biggie is - no physical evidence or eyewitnesses.

There may be all sorts of interesting shit going on, but logically you have to get past the nuts and bolts of the basic, observable evidence.

[george formby]

The reason for my opinion is that any time I ask a reasonable question, like - why would you have a plan that involved crashing planes into buildings AND blowing them up, I never get an answer.
And if they blew those buildings up, how come no one saw the preparations? All get to that one is "elevator maintenance" - do you know how much explosive is required to bring a building like that down?
But the biggie is - no physical evidence or eyewitnesses.

There may be all sorts of interesting shit going on, but logically you have to get past the nuts and bolts of the basic, observable evidence.

Aw well, that post struck a chord with me. I'm not a bun fighter but if I get a bit of jam on me then so be it.

Motive. Who did what & why did they do it? For what result? Terrorist attack, semi plausible, conspiracy, semi plausible, but what is the win, who gained? Why, on either side? For whoever did it, ying & yang, it is defeatist, instant hatred & you have to be pretty smart to pull off 9/11.

It's all there but it's not clear what it all means.

[Oscar]

Aw well, that post struck a chord with me. I'm not a bun fighter but if I get a bit of jam on me then so be it.

Motive. Who did what & why did they do it? For what result? Terrorist attack, semi plausible, conspiracy, semi plausible, but what is the win, who gained? Why, on either side? For whoever did it, ying & yang, it is defeatist, instant hatred & you have to be pretty smart to pull off 9/11.

It's all there but it's not clear what it all means.

The motive is easy in the light of the recent habit of some Muslim leaders to glorify martyrdom.
In October 2001, Al-Qaeda's spokesman, Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, said:

The Americans should know that the storm of plane attacks will not abate, with God's permission. There are thousands of the Islamic nations' youths who are eager to die just as the Americans are eager to live

[Banditbandit]

Ok .. so let's just say, for the argument, that the WTC bombing was orchestrated by the PTB in 'merika ...

Let's just suppose for the moment that TPTB in 'merika placed explosives in the buildings ...

There are quite a few points that also need to be accounted for:

1

How did the PTB in 'merika convince Osama Bin Laden to claim the Al Qaeda had made the attack ??

2

How did they get a number of Middle Eastern men to fly the planes into the building?

3

If you claim that no planes flew into the building how do you account for the on-the-ground eye witness accounts? (Yes, I can accept that the filmed footage might have been doctored - but that doesn't account for the direct eye witness accounts) People around the WTC saw the planes hit the buildings ... were they suffering from mass hysteria?? If so, how was that created ??

4

How did TPTB in 'merika convince Al Qaeda people to die in the caves in Afghanistan ?

5

If the bombing of the WTC was a Government ploy, what happened to the flight that was aimed at Capitol Hill - you know - the one that the passengers took over from the hijackers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania ??? If there were no hijackers who did the passengers fight with before the crash ???

6
If the PTB in 'merika were really rsponsible, how did they convince Osama Bin Laden to become the world's number one fugitive, then get assassinated in Pakistan ?? Surely Bin Laden would have said that he was not responsible ..

The conspiracy theory cannot account for these things at al ... that's a massive hole in the theory ..

[Katman]

There are quite a few points that also need to be accounted for:

1

How did the PTB in 'merika convince Osama Bin Laden to claim the Al Qaeda had made the attack ??

Osama Bin Laden never claimed responsibility for the attack.

[Oscar]

Osama Bin Laden never claimed responsibility for the attack.

Al Queda did though.

[Banditbandit]

Osama Bin Laden never claimed responsibility for the attack.

On October 29, 2004, at 21:00 UTC, al Jazeera broadcast excerpts allegedly from a videotape of Osama bin Laden addressing the people of the United States (in which he accepts responsibility for the September 11 attacks) condemns the Bush government's response to those attacks and presents those attacks as part of a campaign of revenge and deterrence motivated by his witnessing of the destruction in the Lebanese Civil War in 1982. News analysts speculated that the release of the video was timed to influence the 2004 U.S. presidential election, which would take place four days later.

Even though al Jazeera (when broadcasting the footage on its evening newscast) didn't disclose the source of the video, sources within the United States intelligence community have confirmed that the speaker, who appears behind a lectern, is indeed bin Laden.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Osama_bin_Laden_video

[Katman]

.....sources within the United States intelligence community have confirmed.....

[Banditbandit]

What !!! Are you saying that Osama Bin Laden was not real ???

I posted the second quota to balance the "allegedly" used by Al Jazeera ... not to prove anything at all ...

[Scuba_Steve]

Ok .. so let's just say, for the argument, that the WTC bombing was orchestrated by the PTB in 'merika ...

Let's just suppose for the moment that TPTB in 'merika placed explosives in the buildings ...

There are quite a few points that also need to be accounted for:

1

How did the PTB in 'merika convince Osama Bin Laden to claim the Al Qaeda had made the attack ??
Who said they did? not hard to dress yourself up & call yourself Al Qaeda
2

How did they get a number of Middle Eastern men to fly the planes into the building?
Did they? dress a man up in Shemagh & he's automatically "Middle Eastern"
3

If you claim that no planes flew into the building how do you account for the on-the-ground eye witness accounts? (Yes, I can accept that the filmed footage might have been doctored - but that doesn't account for the direct eye witness accounts) People around the WTC saw the planes hit the buildings ... were they suffering from mass hysteria?? If so, how was that created ??
N/A
4

How did TPTB in 'merika convince Al Qaeda people to die in the caves in Afghanistan ?
convince or force?
5

If the bombing of the WTC was a Government ploy, what happened to the flight that was aimed at Capitol Hill - you know - the one that the passengers took over from the hijackers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania ??? If there were no hijackers who did the passengers fight with before the crash ???
there were hijackers, hired by the US Govt through various methods so no direct relation; The hijack went wrong is all. If they were Al Qaeda would the plane not have just gone "boom!" in mid air rather than give it up again to the infidels?
6
If the PTB in 'merika were really rsponsible, how did they convince Osama Bin Laden to become the world's number one fugitive, then get assassinated in Pakistan ?? Surely Bin Laden would have said that he was not responsible ..
sure but who listens to the individual? one man saying "they're lying" isn't going to change nothing. Hell just look at Dotcom, US is saying he's a 'bad man' with no proof & yet still so many are willing to jump on the band wagon saying the same; never able to justify their position when asked, only that "the US said he was so he must be"
The conspiracy theory cannot account for these things at al ... that's a massive hole in the theory ..

Just to be the devil I'll give some answers for the above

[Banditbandit]

Just to be the devil I'll give some answers for the above

Bugger - that makes it harder to respond ...

But here
Ok .. so let's just say, for the argument, that the WTC bombing was orchestrated by the PTB in 'merika ...

Let's just suppose for the moment that TPTB in 'merika placed explosives in the buildings ...

There are quite a few points that also need to be accounted for:

1

How did the PTB in 'merika convince Osama Bin Laden to claim the Al Qaeda had made the attack ??
Who said they did? not hard to dress yourself up & call yourself Al Qaeda
2

How did they get a number of Middle Eastern men to fly the planes into the building?
Did they? dress a man up in Shemagh & he's automatically "Middle Eastern"

That just moves the problem - who did they convince to commit suicide???
3

If you claim that no planes flew into the building how do you account for the on-the-ground eye witness accounts? (Yes, I can accept that the filmed footage might have been doctored - but that doesn't account for the direct eye witness accounts) People around the WTC saw the planes hit the buildings ... were they suffering from mass hysteria?? If so, how was that created ??

N/A

Do you mean "no answer' or "not applicable" ?
4

How did TPTB in 'merika convince Al Qaeda people to die in the caves in Afghanistan ?

convince or force?

Al Qaeda had to be complicit in any conspuiracy to blow up the WTC ... whichever way you cut it ... Al Qaeda NEVER said "wasn't us " .. if they had said that things might have been different ...
5

If the bombing of the WTC was a Government ploy, what happened to the flight that was aimed at Capitol Hill - you know - the one that the passengers took over from the hijackers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania ??? If there were no hijackers who did the passengers fight with before the crash ???


there were hijackers, hired by the US Govt through various methods so no direct relation; The hijack went wrong is all. If they were Al Qaeda would the plane not have just gone "boom!" in mid air rather than give it up again to the infidels?

No - there were no bombs on the plane - or so far no one has claimed there were. TPTB in 'merika still had to convince people to commit suicide ... Extrenmists have achieved that - but it's not easy .

6
If the PTB in 'merika were really rsponsible, how did they convince Osama Bin Laden to become the world's number one fugitive, then get assassinated in Pakistan ?? Surely Bin Laden would have said that he was not responsible ..

sure but who listens to the individual? one man saying "they're lying" isn't going to change nothing. Hell just look at Dotcom, US is saying he's a 'bad man' with no proof & yet still so many are willing to jump on the band wagon saying the same; never able to justify their position when asked, only that "the US said he was so he must be"


So - he just acquiesed and died without challenging the 'merikan assertions? Seems highy unlikely to me - especially as he was given to verbally attacking 'merika on every occassion ...
The conspiracy theory cannot account for these things at al ... that's a massive hole in the theory ..

[SPman]

If the bombing of the WTC was a Government ploy, what happened to the flight that was aimed at Capitol Hill - you know - the one that the passengers took over from the hijackers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania ??? If there were no hijackers who did the passengers fight with before the crash ???

Very early reports were of a jet shot down by an F15 - one of the engines and debris from this jet was found over half a mile from the crash site (One of the engines was found over half a mile away from the main field. ⁷ Other debris fields were found 2, 3, and 8 miles away.) - interesting in a jet that was meant to have speared straight in....intact!. These reports very quickly receeded into the background, however........

If the PTB in 'merika were really rsponsible, how did they convince Osama Bin Laden to become the world's number one fugitive, then get assassinated in Pakistan ?? Surely Bin Laden would have said that he was not responsible ..

Bin Laden died of kidney failure around 2001-2 - he had been on dialysis for several years before that.. he wasn't assasinated in Pakistan - in fact - if anyone was - it was the SEAL team that was sent in - they were "assasinated" in Afghanistan a couple of weeks later - those that weren't killed in the destruction of one helicopter at the scene under suspicious circumstances....

meanwhile, on subject

While the Assad regime in Damascus has denied responsibility for the sarin gas missiles that killed around 1,400 Syrians in the suburb of Ghouta on 21 August, information is now circulating in the city that Russia's new "evidence" about the attack includes the dates of export of the specific rockets used and – more importantly – the countries to which they were originally sold. They were apparently manufactured in the Soviet Union in 1967 and sold by Moscow to three Arab countries, Yemen, Egypt and Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's Libya. These details cannot be verified in documents, and Vladimir Putin has not revealed the reasons why he told Barack Obama that he knows Assad's army did not fire the sarin missiles; but if the information is correct – and it is believed to have come from Moscow – Russia did not sell this particular batch of chemical munitions to Syria.

Since Gaddafi's fall in 2011, vast quantities of his abandoned Soviet-made arms have fallen into the hands of rebel groups and al-Qa'ida-affiliated insurgents. Many were later found in Mali, some in Algeria and a vast amount in Sinai. The Syrians have long claimed that a substantial amount of Soviet-made weaponry has made its way from Libya into the hands of rebels in the country's civil war with the help of Qatar – which supported the Libyan rebels against Gaddafi and now pays for arms shipments to Syrian insurgents.

There is no doubt that Syria has a substantial chemical weapons armoury. Nor that Syrian stockpiles contain large amounts of sarin gas 122mm missiles. But if the Russians have indeed been able to identify the specific missile markings on fragments found in Ghouta – and if these are from munitions never exported to Syria – the Assad regime will boast its innocence has been proven.

the cauldron continues to bubble........

[Woodman]

America's insecurity is starting to look desperate.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/articl...#ixzz2fO4anVwd

Wow a customer profile, the Warehouse have them too, as do most businesses.

Mountains and molehills.

[Scuba_Steve]

Bugger - that makes it harder to respond ...

Yea sorry bout that, I'll make it easier this time

1

How did the PTB in 'merika convince Osama Bin Laden to claim the Al Qaeda had made the attack ??
Who said they did? not hard to dress yourself up & call yourself Al Qaeda
2

How did they get a number of Middle Eastern men to fly the planes into the building?
Did they? dress a man up in Shemagh & he's automatically "Middle Eastern"

That just moves the problem - who did they convince to commit suicide???
3

If you claim that no planes flew into the building how do you account for the on-the-ground eye witness accounts? (Yes, I can accept that the filmed footage might have been doctored - but that doesn't account for the direct eye witness accounts) People around the WTC saw the planes hit the buildings ... were they suffering from mass hysteria?? If so, how was that created ??

N/A

Do you mean "no answer' or "not applicable" ?
4

How did TPTB in 'merika convince Al Qaeda people to die in the caves in Afghanistan ?

convince or force?

Al Qaeda had to be complicit in any conspuiracy to blow up the WTC ... whichever way you cut it ... Al Qaeda NEVER said "wasn't us " .. if they had said that things might have been different ...
5

If the bombing of the WTC was a Government ploy, what happened to the flight that was aimed at Capitol Hill - you know - the one that the passengers took over from the hijackers and then it crashed in Pennsylvania ??? If there were no hijackers who did the passengers fight with before the crash ???


there were hijackers, hired by the US Govt through various methods so no direct relation; The hijack went wrong is all. If they were Al Qaeda would the plane not have just gone "boom!" in mid air rather than give it up again to the infidels?

No - there were no bombs on the plane - or so far no one has claimed there were. TPTB in 'merika still had to convince people to commit suicide ... Extrenmists have achieved that - but it's not easy .

6
If the PTB in 'merika were really rsponsible, how did they convince Osama Bin Laden to become the world's number one fugitive, then get assassinated in Pakistan ?? Surely Bin Laden would have said that he was not responsible ..

sure but who listens to the individual? one man saying "they're lying" isn't going to change nothing. Hell just look at Dotcom, US is saying he's a 'bad man' with no proof & yet still so many are willing to jump on the band wagon saying the same; never able to justify their position when asked, only that "the US said he was so he must be"


So - he just acquiesed and died without challenging the 'merikan assertions? Seems highy unlikely to me - especially as he was given to verbally attacking 'merika on every occassion ...

1.
---

2.
Yea it would, so ok maybee just 'Merica gave them a push in that direction, they've previously been pretty helpful to said groups so maybee they just gave them the idea/intel & let them do their thing

3.
either one will do, We're running with the idea that planes did physically fly into the towers.

4.
Al Qaeda are anti-'merican why pass up a chance to claim victory against them, truthful or not.

5.
That was my point, it seems unusual for a group that loves their strap-on kamikaze bombs not to go 'Kaboom' as a backup plan

6.
Again acts against the worlds largest terrorist country is "greatness" for them, who doesn't want to be a champion of their people?