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    Quote Originally Posted by agman View Post
    So the engine out of say the 80's bmw k100's, are they flats or L4's?
    I never liked the term "Flat" as it doesn't explain anything. An R1 pulling a mono is a "Flat 4".

    Boxer or Opposing at least tells you what the pistons and the crank are doing.

    You don't hear rotaries being called "Spinning Discs" or a pit bike being called a Flat 1.

    Raises the question - if you turn a V twin upside down - what is it called? (remember L twins?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by avgas View Post
    I never liked the term "Flat" as it doesn't explain anything. An R1 pulling a mono is a "Flat 4".

    Boxer or Opposing at least tells you what the pistons and the crank are doing.

    You don't hear rotaries being called "Spinning Discs" or a pit bike being called a Flat 1.

    Raises the question - if you turn a V twin upside down - what is it called? (remember L twins?)
    Ermm an A twin? Or just a bloody pointless idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agman View Post
    Or just a bloody pointless idea.
    Ohhhh, I don't know. Be a good way to pump lots of oil out of an exhaust pipe...If you had a need to do something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Ohhhh, I don't know. Be a good way to pump lots of oil out of an exhaust pipe...If you had a need to do something like that.
    Harleys do it anyways... xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    Ohhhh, I don't know. Be a good way to pump lots of oil out of an exhaust pipe...If you had a need to do something like that.
    What a fantastic idea!
    I was so sick of the oil leaking out of the crankcase. That way I could get home - shove a bung in the exhaust and all the oil will be waiting for me when I start the bike up again.

    Plus who needs sump plugs when a spark plug is the only thing holding the black stuff in?
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    What do you all it when the engines runs across the chassis, like a guzzi?

    I love guzzis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agman View Post
    What do you all it when the engines runs across the chassis, like a guzzi?

    I love guzzis.
    Transverse is the term you're looking for.

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    So a r1 has a transversely mounted L4?

    So what would you call it on say a harley?

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    Quote Originally Posted by agman View Post
    So a r1 has a transversely mounted L4?

    So what would you call it on say a harley?
    No no. An R1 has an inline 4. IL4. A Harley has a V-twin. A guzzi is also V-twin, but transverse because the crank runs perpendicular to the wheels.

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    shit, you lot have screwed this thread LOL
    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    It's an inline four you over complicating prick!
    Yamaha and Toyota use modern DOHC slant motors. Slugs leaning at up to 35°. They're still an inline four, what's the difference.
    Transverse inline four at best, since the crank is 'north/south' I suppose.
    SIR complicating prick to you wigga and the differance is they are a SLANT IL4, just like the CF230 or Valient 2.7

    Quote Originally Posted by avgas View Post
    You don't hear rotaries being called "Spinning Discs" or a pit bike being called a Flat 1.

    Raises the question - if you turn a V twin upside down - what is it called? (remember L twins?)
    Re the pit bike, if like the Guzzi Falcone or aremachi the YES flat single
    Re a upside V2... it be a 3rd in a half radial... a L is a L


    Quote Originally Posted by avgas View Post
    I never liked the term "Flat" as it doesn't explain anything. An R1 pulling a mono is a "Flat 4".
    gezzzzus, pulling a mono it would be virtacal... if a R1 did a stoppie it would be a flat 4



    Quote Originally Posted by agman View Post
    So a r1 has a transversely mounted L4?
    So what would you call it on say a harley?
    fuck sake... IL4 thats INLINE 4 L4 is something different, and a bloody harley is a V2
    cheers DD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    It's an inline four you over complicating prick!

    Yamaha and Toyota use modern DOHC slant motors. Slugs leaning at up to 35°. They're still an inline four, what's the difference.

    Transverse inline four at best, since the crank is 'north/south' I suppose.
    Yamaha created the design for Toyota's engines

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.W.R View Post
    Yamaha created the design for Toyota's engines
    I know. Hense I mentioned Toyota.

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    Engine configurations

    Categorisation by piston motion

    Engine types include:

    Single-cylinder engines
    Inline engine designs:
    Straight engine, with all of the cylinders placed in a single row
    U engine, two separate straight engines with crankshafts linked by a central gear.
    The square four is a U engine where the two straight engines have two cylinders each.
    V engine, with two banks of cylinders at an angle, most commonly 60 or 90 degrees.
    Flat engine, two banks of cylinders directly opposite each other on either side of the crankshaft.
    H engine, two crankshafts.
    W engine. Combination of V and straight, giving 3 banks, or two V's intertwined giving 4 banks.
    Opposed piston engine, with multiple crankshafts, an example being:
    Delta engines, with three banks of cylinders and three crankshafts
    X engine.
    Radial designs, including most:
    Rotary engine designs. Mostly seen on pre-WWII aircraft.
    Pistonless rotary engines, notably:
    Wankel engine.

    The standard names for some configurations are historic, arbitrary, or both, with some overlap. For example, the cylinder banks of a 180° V engine do not in any way form a V, but it is regarded as a V engine because of its crankshaft and big end configuration, which result in performance characteristics similar to a V engine. But it is also considered a flat engine because of its shape. On the other hand, some engines which have none of the typical V engine crankshaft design features and consequent performance characteristics are also regarded as V engines, purely because of their shape. Similarly, the Volkswagen Group VR6 engine is a hybrid of the V engine and the straight engine, and can not be definitively labeled as either.

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    hey motor nerds... who can name the bike that has a oposed flat non transverse twin?
    cheers DD
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    Quote Originally Posted by dangerous View Post
    hey motor nerds... who can name the bike that has a oposed flat non transverse twin?
    there's plenty but an easy one is Douglas

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