So how do you ever get to take holidays if you're that indispensable?Originally Posted by Gremlin
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So how do you ever get to take holidays if you're that indispensable?
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So whats the deal with criminal convictions and jury duty? Got called up years ago but never went for some reason, think I may of been on codfish island at the time.
Surely there must be times when previous history must rule a person out.?
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Don't be too sure. It depends on a whole lot of things. A buisness suit and tie was getting people off a while back. A leather jacket and army bag got me challenged once but bike leathers and helmet were acceptable another time... DHAMIK.
You NEVER get to hear all the evidence.
The amount of horse-trading and pre-trial jockeying around by proseacution and defence teams tends to eliminate certain bits and pieces from the trial.
True story: Coming out of a jury room after a murder trial some years ago. We found the defendant guilty on forensic evidence presented BUT there was a gray area on the "whodunnit".
I was alongside one of the prosecuting cops and he said "you guys did the right thing. He confessed to the murder three times, but because he hadn't been read his rights it was inadmissable".
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A lawyer I knew once told me he asked a juror he knew how the jry hd reached their decision - he said he was so horrified by the answer he never asked again ...
If you tell the judge you do not agree with the system and will not participate then he will excuse you ...
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Yeah - previous convictions can rule you out ... but you have to appear in court and tell the judge - a friend of mine did - said he had been in jail and would never, under any circumstances, send anyone there - so the judge excused him.So whats the deal with criminal convictions and jury duty? Got called up years ago but never went for some reason, think I may of been on codfish island at the time
Surely there must be times when previous history must rule a person out.?
"So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."
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Regular work is scheduled to not clash with the trip. Emergencies that occur... I carry gear with me (on holiday) and deal with things if required. Only had one night in 7 odd years with no coverage, Danseys Pass Hotel for all it's flash food - no coverage. Touched base the next morning. Mobile coverage for calls and data are the only limiting factor. Telecom is better than Vodafone in that regard. Worst case scenario, park the bike somewhere and fly back to deal with it (been close once or twice - murphys law).
Yep, included in the link above. Certain convictions and periods of jail time over a certain length (think it was a few months).So whats the deal with criminal convictions and jury duty? Got called up years ago but never went for some reason, think I may of been on codfish island at the time
Surely there must be times when previous history must rule a person out.?
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Being a white man in a business suit is a pretty reliable way of not being selected, especially if the defendent is brown.
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I realise that, and its a fair point. What I was getting at though, is that there is a difference between the halfwits who proclaim they can be sure of the innocence / guilt of people like david bain, or mark lundy, or teina pora etc etc, because they have allegedly 'followed the case the whole way through' by which they mean they have read a two ro three paragraph snippet, or watched a 3 minute news segment on it each day, and think that is sufficient to understand everything that would have gone on over the course of several hours a day in the court room.
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My 2c on such matters...
Spectacular waste of time when I was called up in Wellington. Lots of sitting around just so I could be challenged and go back to work.
One of my old bosses, whose name was Dennis, had been called up something like 5 times. His wife Denise - not once.
SWMBO sat on trial once, can't remember the charge but due to the lack of any decent evidence, her jury basically decided the defendant was less dodgy than the crackpot ('victim') testifying against them.
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It's quite a good experience for a day or two, depending on what the case is. I have been on one Jury, didn't mind that at all to be honest... quite enlightening to see/watch and learn how a tail of woes can change you mind from guilty to not guilty, or vice versa. Was called up one more time but got off, played the self employment card. Plus I knew the court registrar at the time which helped.
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I know. I did it once. I dont think i have, before or since, used the word 'bullshit' more in a single document.
They sent back a polite letter 'you have been excused on this occasion but may be called again'
never heard from the cunts again. A decade and counting.
Funny, a sout afrikan bird heard i had got off so she asked me how, ended up sending a letter in saying (slight paraphrasation) 'well, actually, you homos stole the country and claimed your shit as right, the murrays were here first, so unless the case is being heard under tikaanga, gtfo.'
she was also excused.
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I've never been called ... when I was a journo I never expected to be .. I was court reporter and knew the lawyers, both prosecution and defense adn the police ... and had proably written stories about the cases ... journos never get called.
I haven't been a journo for 20 years - and I'd love to see what does happen in a jury room - it's the last part of court I've never seen - but I've never been called up ...
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The concept of a jury dates back to the Dark Ages and comes from the Vikings. Bloody Vikings (obligatory Monty Python ref).
So its a tried and true system for filtering justice. These days when a defendant faces a charge which is likely to garner public sympathy (such as shooting an intruder) he will chose trial by jury. Why? Because juries famously ignore the strict law and are likely to give the benefit of the doubt. That's why we have so many jury trials even when the accused is clearly guilty of doing a bad thing. Sometimes good people have to do bad things in the belief they have no choice.
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there are several legislations that cover that, claim of right, defense of movable property, self defense etc.The concept of a jury dates back to the Dark Ages and comes from the Vikings. Bloody Vikings (obligatory Monty Python ref
So its a tried and true system for filtering justice. These days when a defendant faces a charge which is likely to garner public sympathy (such as shooting an intruder) he will chose trial by jury. Why? Because juries famously ignore the strict law and are likely to give the benefit of the doubt. That's why we have so many jury trials even when the accused is clearly guilty of doing a bad thing. Sometimes good people have to do bad things in the belief they have no choice.
Also, bitchdame elias has effectively (several years ago) removed a nz citizens right to choose to be tried by jury.
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