MSAC - Two new members wanted

[Pampera]

If you are passionate about motorcycling, have a strong set of business skills and are an excellent communicator then we would like to hear from you.
Click here to read morehttps://careers.acc.co.nz/jobdetails?ajid=HsmBa[/INDENT]

Also from the MotoNZ Terms of Reference:

"Neither ACC nor the MSL Council will make any oral or
written statement or comment to the media, which criticises the other party or which could adversely
affect public opinion of either ACC or Council or which brings the other party into disrepute."

The MotoNZ website is all about how motorcyclists "own the options" and will bring their own ideas to solving the problems of motorcycle safety. In effect the above is bureaucratic language forbidding MotoNZ Council members from expressing any view differing from that of ACC and does call into question the claims of the MotoNZ website. The need to be an "excellent communicator" should also be considered in this context.

Michael

[MrKiwi]

Sorry for not replying sooner, been busy with other things.

Let's get real here though for a minute. I posted the link because I read on this forum in lots of places your criticism of MSAC and ACC. That's fine, no one is stopping you from holding whatever view you want. However, I thought some of might be interested in giving it go, endeavour to see if you can help make a difference. But no, it appears some prefer to hide behind a key board and throw darts and arrows. That's real easy to do and I was tempted to throw quite a few back. That wouldn't be constructive...

Michael, you're correct the rules of appointment mean those on MSAC can not bring the Minister of ACC, ACC itself or MSAC into disrepute. That is normal terms of appointment to advisory boards. It does not, however, stop me from having a different view and I do, on quite a few things. It is how you choose to communicate those differing views that count.

My motivation from being on the Council is simple. I would rather try and influence how the $30 each year taken off me and you is spent than let officials be the sole arbitrators of that. We are making some progress on this front, but not as fast as I, or my fellow Councillors, would like. Being on the Council is not for everyone admittedly. Also, since I am on the Council, it pays to let people keep me honest so I'm not taking all of the above posts as personal criticism. Some of it is, though, a little over the top in my view.

David.

[Zedder]

Given our history of copying Australian (Victoria state) roading rules/safety campaigns including the Motorcycle Safety Levy project, doesn't that make the NZ programme a little redundant apart from some local issues?

[Smifffy]

Sorry for not replying sooner, been busy with other things.

Let's get real here though for a minute. I posted the link because I read on this forum in lots of places your criticism of MSAC and ACC. That's fine, no one is stopping you from holding whatever view you want. However, I thought some of might be interested in giving it go, endeavour to see if you can help make a difference. But no, it appears some prefer to hide behind a key board and throw darts and arrows. That's real easy to do and I was tempted to throw quite a few back. That wouldn't be constructive...

Michael, you're correct the rules of appointment mean those on MSAC can not bring the Minister of ACC, ACC itself or MSAC into disrepute. That is normal terms of appointment to advisory boards. It does not, however, stop me from having a different view and I do, on quite a few things. It is how you choose to communicate those differing views that count.

My motivation from being on the Council is simple. I would rather try and influence how the $30 each year taken off me and you is spent than let officials be the sole arbitrators of that. We are making some progress on this front, but not as fast as I, or my fellow Councillors, would like. Being on the Council is not for everyone admittedly. Also, since I am on the Council, it pays to let people keep me honest so I'm not taking all of the above posts as personal criticism. Some of it is, though, a little over the top in my view.

David.

Thanks for posting the original link. Did I mention I'm considering it?

[Paul in NZ]

Don't be discouraged MrKiwi - your average motorcyclist is a bit of a mouthy rebel...

We appreciate your efforts but please understand that not everyone feels it to be likely to end well. Not sure why that is but it is what it is. Its not the $30 we are sore about really....

I wouldnt have a clue what the tribunal does and frankly I'm not really enough of a biker to have much opinion on stuff so I'm definately not tribunal material ;-(

[MrKiwi]

Thanks for posting the original link. Did I mention I'm considering it?

Thanks, and all the best.

[Zedder]

Don't be discouraged MrKiwi - your average motorcyclist is a bit of a mouthy rebel...

We appreciate your efforts but please understand that not everyone feels it to be likely to end well. Not sure why that is but it is what it is. Its not the $30 we are sore about really....

I wouldnt have a clue what the tribunal does and frankly I'm not really enough of a biker to have much opinion on stuff so I'm definately not tribunal material ;-(

It looks like the Aussies have done most of the work already: http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/...cleSafetyLevy/

[Ocean1]

It looks like the Aussies have done most of the work already: http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/...cleSafetyLevy/

"One of the most important initiatives funded by the Levy to date has been road improvements at over 148 blackspot locations, where multiple motorcycle crashes have occurred or on routes where motorcyclists are most at risk. The improvements are specifically developed by engineers and expert riders to address the types of crashes riders have experienced at these locations."

Which is really the type of work that makes sense, given the source of the funds in question.

So where is NZ's effort in this regard?

[MSTRS:Me]

"One of the most important initiatives funded by the Levy to date has been road improvements at over 148 blackspot locations, where multiple motorcycle crashes have occurred or on routes where motorcyclists are most at risk. The improvements are specifically developed by engineers and expert riders to address the types of crashes riders have experienced at these locations."

Which is really the type of work that makes sense, given the source of the funds in question.

So where is NZ's effort in this regard?

In the circular system. Or File 13.

[Berries]

Its not the $30 we are sore about really....

Speak for yourself. I have yet to see anything done with the $30 taken from me each year. You'd think that with the annual demand for the fee that we get there might be an update to say where all the money is going and, you know, get some of us onside?

[Zedder]

Speak for yourself. I have yet to see anything done with the $30 taken from me each year. You'd think that with the annual demand for the fee that we get there might be an update to say where all the money is going and, you know, get some of us onside?

They have done this:http://www.motonz.org.nz/news/trafinz-conference-2013/

Although it's taken awhile and I'd have thought it's the NZTA's job.

[Smifffy]

They have done this:http://www.motonz.org.nz/news/trafinz-conference-2013/

Although it's taken awhile and I'd have thought it's the NZTA's job.

Well they attended and brought along speakers. looks like a good run. I was available the Thursday and Friday too. I do enjoy a good party.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lreqcvz1iz0dra8/IPoco_yBpU

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8wo0chuj9mjq0qh/byhyPca2Pq#/

Heres our display: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/sh...a5kWHA8_korRIQ

I would embed but then I'd get infracted again for kb not having a resize function, so you'll hafta clicky linky yosef. You may notice they parked the motorcycle in the middle of the road, next to a bar leaner. Subliminal messaging?

They should have broadcast this a bit more. I reckon it's worth the levy funding on it's own. They even had Karen Hay there, but I don't think she was the one from RWP, maybe if we increase the levy we can get her?

[Paul in NZ]

Speak for yourself. I have yet to see anything done with the $30 taken from me each year. You'd think that with the annual demand for the fee that we get there might be an update to say where all the money is going and, you know, get some of us onside?

OK - its not the $30 I'm sore about.... (its the rest of the increase in rego down to ACC)

[MSTRS:Me]

OK - its not the $30 I'm sore about.... (its the rest of the increase in rego down to ACC)

Chances are that most bikers are pissed off about the whole shameful debacle...increase, m/c-only levy, the bullshit that is McSack.
Or they are like me and said "Fuck that, rego is going on hold"

[MrKiwi]

"One of the most important initiatives funded by the Levy to date has been road improvements at over 148 blackspot locations, where multiple motorcycle crashes have occurred or on routes where motorcyclists are most at risk. The improvements are specifically developed by engineers and expert riders to address the types of crashes riders have experienced at these locations."

Which is really the type of work that makes sense, given the source of the funds in question.

So where is NZ's effort in this regard?

I agree, making roads safer is worthwhile, considering roads are designed for trucks and cars, not motorbikes. MSAC has done a bit of work in this area, looking at the Southern Coromandal loop to see what road engineering features it would be useful to promote to road controlling authorities around the country. Recently Council considered a request from the NZTA to part fund some upgrades to the southern Coromandel loop and the Council agreed to do this. ACC is now working with the NZTA to make this happen. Once this work is done, it should form a useful template for works elsewhere in NZ.

The Chair has summarised this work http://motonz.org.nz/news/council-update-september-2013/ (See Project updates Southern Coromandel Loop initiative).